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It's Offical: On Tuesday,Ohio Board of Education expected to put "doubt" in evolution
The Cincinnati Enquirer ^ | Sunday, March 7, 2004 | Jennifer Mrozowski

Posted on 03/07/2004 10:14:09 AM PST by yankeedame

Sunday, March 7, 2004

Ohio likely to put doubts into teaching of evolution

By Jennifer Mrozowski
The Cincinnati Enquirer

How did life begin? Did everything start with a big bang? Did God create the universe?

Questions like these have been at the center of controversy for nearly a century and Ohio is about to re-enter the debate.

On Tuesday, the Ohio Board of Education is expected to approve model science lessons - including a 10th-grade biology lesson with a critical look at the theory of evolution.

Most board members want to let students debate evolution in science classrooms.

The vote is attracting national attention, as Ohio public schools become the center of the debate on evolution versus "intelligent design."

Prominent organizations like the National Academy of Sciences have opposed the proposed curriculum. Endorsing the lesson plan are groups like the Discovery Institute, a Seattle-based nonprofit think tank. The institute's Center for Science and Culture challenges Darwinian evolution.

Ohio teachers have always been able to critically discuss evolution. But critics of the lesson plan say approval would make Ohio the first state to sanction public-school teaching of intelligent design, the theory that life is so complex that an intelligent being must have played a role in designing it.

Proponents say the lesson plan, which teachers would be expected but not required to follow next school year, simply allows a critical analysis of evolutionary theory.

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"There are some people who are so worried about students inquiring as to how much we know and don't know about the theory of evolution that they would rather have students not question it," said state board member Deborah Owens Fink, an associate professor of marketing and international business at the University of Akron.

Scientists say they don't dispute the need for critical analysis of scientific theories. Rather, some say, this lesson plan sounds too much like creationism, a God-based concept about the creation of life that they say violates the separation of church and state when taught in public schools. They cite Web sites and book references on intelligent design that are incorporated in the lesson plan as resources.

"It's not based in science," said Lynn Elfner, chief executive officer of the Ohio Academy of Science. "The creationists would argue the words 'intelligent design' are not there and that's true, but if it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it's still a duck."

A national debate

Ohio is the latest state to spar over the teaching of evolution, the theory that all species descended from a common ancestor and that changes occur naturally and over time in life forms.

Science standards and curricula on evolution have drawn fire in recent years in New Mexico, Minnesota, West Virginia, Georgia and Kansas. Just last month, Georgia's top education official dropped plans to remove the word "evolution" from the state's academic standards.

Debate erupted here in 2002 as Ohio began developing new science standards, or concepts that students in grades K-12 are expected to know and be tested on.

People disagreed on how to teach evolution, with some pressing for the inclusion of intelligent design. The state board compromised in December 2002 by including critical analysis of evolution.

In February, the board stated its intent to approve a set of lessons teachers could use to teach the science concepts. The 13-4 vote came after fierce debate and testimony from opposing groups, including the Intelligent Design Network, a national non-profit organization, and the Ohio Academy of Science.

The disputed lesson plan includes suggestions on how to guide students to critically analyze evolution. One lesson suggests a lack of evidence of major evolutionary changes in the fossil record.

However, evolutionists do use fossils as evidence oftransformations of species. They say fossils of transitional forms, like the Archaeopteryx, a reptile-like bird, show how some living forms evolved from earlier forms.

As a way to critically analyze evolution, the lesson plan encourages teachers to suggest that the Archaeopteryx is not a transitional form and that the fossil record instead shows sudden appearances of new biological forms. Critics say that belief is consistent with creationism.

Ohio school board member G.R. "Sam" Schloemer of Wyoming said the 21-page lesson on critical analysis of evolution is based on creationism or intelligent design and doesn't belong in public schools.

"There is no scientific evidence to support" intelligent design and creationism, Schloemer said. "Until Gov. Bob Taft gets involved and tells his appointed board members to forget about this, we will have it here in Ohio.

"That's in contrast to the governors of West Virginia, Texas, and more recently within the last month, the governor of Georgia, who said we are going to teach evolution and we're not going to bring in pseudoscience."

Orest Holubec, Taft's spokesman, said the governor supports the science standards and trusts the board will approve a curriculum based on the standards.

Supporters of intelligent design say the lesson plan does not refer to intelligent design.

"These standards limit themselves to simply addressing criticisms of evolution and I think that's perfectly appropriate," said John Calvert of Shawnee Mission, Kan., managing director of the Intelligent Design Network.

To suggest that evolution is the undeniable explanation for the creation of life is wrong because evolutionary theory assumes an intelligent being did not create life, Calvert said.

"When you ask the question of where does life come from, that unavoidably impacts religion," he said.

But the critical analysis unfairly singles out evolution, which is steeped in evidence and has been tested, said Marc Cron, science department chair for Harrison High School in the Southwest Local School District.

"I think that infers an intelligent design agenda," he said. "Why only have a scientific debate over evolution. Why not over plate tectonics? Why not gravity?"

Debate in class

Some teachers are leery of the proposed lessons, while others say they will continue to address students' questions as they arise.

Bob McMillan, biology teacher at Mount Healthy High School, said he starts his evolution lessons every year telling students he will stick to his area of expertise.

"I feel ill-equipped to teach theories that are not scientific in nature," he said. "If you want to learn about creation, then you need to see a priest, a pastor, a minister or someone more qualified to speak about it."

However, he teaches evolution as a theory and encourages students to critically analyze the theory. He tells students that people have other beliefs on the origin of life, including creationism.

Down the hall from McMillan, Edward Hornsby Jr., a physical and earth sciences teacher - and Evangelical Christian - said he doesn't preach his beliefs to students.

"Students need to be able to choose for themselves. I'm here to inform them but I don't want to push my beliefs on another person," he said.

Hornsby encourages critical analysis of evolution in his classroom.

"I tell them (evolutionary) theory has evidence to support it, but it's not 100 percent fact," he said.

Rick White, an advanced placement biology teacher at Finneytown High School said, "Some of the people making decisions, even at the state level, don't have a clear idea of how science works. In science, theory is something we take very seriously. It has withstood some testing over time. Evolution fits that definition very nicely. There's a huge amount of data suggesting life forms do change over time."

Students have conflicting viewpoints.

"Evolution and intelligent design should both be taught, said Sydney Bostwick, 17, a Norwood High School junior. "It is up to the teachers to teach and inform the students, and it is up to the students to decide what they choose to believe.

"If you only teach evolution, then it's like nothing else exists and that isn't true. After all, science is always changing and what we believe now might not be true 10 years from now."

Other students think intelligent design and religion-based theories on the origin of life should not be allowed in science classrooms.

"The main difference between science and religion is that religion is based on faith and personal belief, while science is based on fact and theory," said Daniel Zimmer, 15, a freshman at Sycamore High School.

"Evolution should be taught in school because it is backed by science. Religion should not enter into it. Saying that you shouldn't teach evolution in school because your religion says differently is like saying that Shakespeare shouldn't be read in school because you disagree with his plot lines."

E-mail jmrozowski@enquirer.com


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; US: Ohio
KEYWORDS: crevolist; education; evolution; scienceeducation
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To: PatrickHenry
"Festival of ASCII Bats & other Creepy Creatures" Memorial placemarker
41 posted on 03/09/2004 6:05:17 PM PST by longshadow
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To: yankeedame
Bookmark for my laugh of the day read.
42 posted on 03/09/2004 6:06:21 PM PST by stanz (Those who don't believe in evolution should go jump off the flat edge of the Earth.)
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To: templar
NO one has ever shown that one spiecies can actually arise from another (even with intelligent manipulation in the laboratory)

Wrong!!!!! For starters have the Carassius Gibelio to the Carassius auratus, And no intelligent manipulation the Chinese didn't have genetic enginering capabilities. We even know the transitional forms

The History of the Goldfish


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The Gibel carp

Carassius Gibelio

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Common Goldfish (~900 A.D.)

Carassius auratus

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Fantail (1368)

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Telescope (1592)

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Celestal (1870)

Bubble Eye (1908)

43 posted on 03/09/2004 6:07:50 PM PST by qam1 (Tommy Thompson is a Fat-tubby, Fascist)
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To: qam1
I looked over the link. Other than the several references that indicated a strong tendency to return to the wild type (which would be contraindicative of being a new species) I didn't see anything that said the various types bred true in naturally occurring populations, or that they were incapable of interbreeding with one another ( a necessity to be considered different species, or new species). Could you point this out please?
44 posted on 03/09/2004 6:16:33 PM PST by templar
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To: Qwinn
What they're saying is that -both- should be taught, that neither is "invalid".

Both? Let's see...there's evolution theory...what's the other theory?
45 posted on 03/09/2004 6:21:46 PM PST by Dimensio (I gave you LIFE! I -- AAAAAAAAH!)
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To: Right Wing Professor
You'll note that I didn't mention flagellum, and I didn't mention blood clotting. I mentioned vision. Eyesight. The cornea, the rod, the pupil, the iris... none of which serve any other function. And if any of them were missing, you couldn't see. Please, since it's so simple, explain to me how they all evolved.

Qwinn
46 posted on 03/09/2004 6:52:25 PM PST by Qwinn
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To: Dimensio
I don't care if it's necessarily taught as a separate theory. What I want taught is the legitimate issues and doubts that many people have with evolutionary theory.

The evolutionists, of course, don't want to see any doubt cast on it at all, because they can't believe that anyone could -honestly- doubt -their- sincerely held religious beliefs, it's just all part of some big theocratic conspiracy, or if not, they're just idiots who aren't as smart as they are.

Which sounds awfully like both the attitude and methods of liberals, if you ask me.

Qwinn
47 posted on 03/09/2004 6:54:37 PM PST by Qwinn
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To: Qwinn
Can you name a theory of intelligent design with predictive power that would actually be useful in a scientific setting? I've never seen one, so if you had anything, that would be useful.
48 posted on 03/09/2004 6:56:04 PM PST by ThinkPlease (Fortune Favors the Bold!)
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To: Qwinn
What I want taught is the legitimate issues and doubts that many people have with evolutionary theory.

If we did that for every science course, kids would learn nothing. What makes biology different?

49 posted on 03/09/2004 6:57:35 PM PST by ThinkPlease (Fortune Favors the Bold!)
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To: yankeedame
Idiots.
50 posted on 03/09/2004 7:01:06 PM PST by Zeroisanumber
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To: Qwinn
I don't care if it's necessarily taught as a separate theory.

Um, if WHAT is taught as a seperate theory!? I asked what the other theory, the second part of the "both" where the first is evolution, was at issue here.

What I want taught is the legitimate issues and doubts that many people have with evolutionary theory.

I wouldn't mind that. Name a few legitimate issues and doubts of evolution theory. Don't forget to name the "alternate" theory to which you alluded earlier, as well.
51 posted on 03/09/2004 7:01:43 PM PST by Dimensio (I gave you LIFE! I -- AAAAAAAAH!)
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To: ThinkPlease
"If we did that for every science course, kids would learn nothing. What makes biology different?"

Oh, please, that's not even slightly true. What, are people arguing that the laws of thermodynamics are inconsistent? Are they arguing that there's no such thing as gravity? Are people having trouble with Einstein's theories? Oh, actually, yes, when I was a kid, Hawking was just starting to become big, and our teacher DID teach us about what was still some rather controversial points being made by Hawking that differed from Einsten...

Get my point?

What makes evolutionary theory different is that it's still basically conjecture. When I was a kid, I was taught as -fact- that Neanderthal was a direct ancestor of humans - and now we know that ain't true. We -still- haven't found the missing link. There's still a -tremendous- number of unanswered questions. What bothers me is that when I was taught it, I was -never- made aware by my teachers that there were still unanswered questions. The entire thing was taught as fact. And as it has even been admitted on this thread, it's -not- fact.

The vast bulk of other sciences -are- fact, and it's just plain silly to pretend otherwise. And before you come back with "Well, what about the Flat Earth Society?", I hate to tell you this, but people who consider ID to be a possibility aside from the religious aspect are not nearly so fringe, and it's really disrespectful, arrogant and rude to act as if they're simply insane.

Qwinn
52 posted on 03/09/2004 7:06:51 PM PST by Qwinn
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To: Qwinn
What makes evolutionary theory different is that it's still basically conjecture.

You need to educate yourself on the subject. If it were just conjecture, then it wouldn't have the status of theory.
53 posted on 03/09/2004 7:19:57 PM PST by Dimensio (I gave you LIFE! I -- AAAAAAAAH!)
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To: PatrickHenry
In other words, Ohio is creationiod territory.

What's next on their agenda; pi : = 3.0 ?

54 posted on 03/09/2004 7:29:42 PM PST by longshadow
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To: Qwinn
What makes evolutionary theory different is that it's still basically conjecture. When I was a kid, I was taught as -fact- that Neanderthal was a direct ancestor of humans - and now we know that ain't true. We -still- haven't found the missing link. There's still a -tremendous- number of unanswered questions. What bothers me is that when I was taught it, I was -never- made aware by my teachers that there were still unanswered questions. The entire thing was taught as fact. And as it has even been admitted on this thread, it's -not- fact.

My point is that science is not dogmatic, unlike what other people would have you think. Repeat after me: There Is No Such Thing As A Scientific Fact. 100 years ago, people would say that the Laws of Thermodynamics are immutable, but now, it appears that that is not the case at low temperatures and at small distances. Rules are being broken all over the place that were thought to be "Scientific Fact" a century ago, but don't actually apply at very high and very low energies.

Listen, most of the things that get brought up by Wells in his book that got added to the Ohio lesson plan is a complete crock. Did you know that 3 people with any sort of scientific credentials were a part of the process, and 2 of those were card carrying members of the Discovery Institude...and that nearly all of the development of the plan itself was done under wraps and not a public process until very recently, when it was too late to change it? Yeah, Ohio got hoodwinked big time.

95% of the "evolutionary questions" comes from Wells' Icons of Evolution, which is an ID screed. It tries to raise questions that researchers in modern day biological researchers have left behind 40 years ago or more. It's so bush league that it's no wonder that the Discovery Institute is resorting to stacking the deck to get their way/ If ID is so scientific, where's the theory? What's the predictive power of ID? If it's so compellingly better that evolution, how come there are no big ID research groups forming to develop large scale projects examining it?

Because there's no science behind ID. The reason evolution gets taught in school is because its the best theory out there. It's the reason you learned about Einstein in the 1970's, because it was the most compelling scientific theory of the time. Every theory (even the ones you consider "fact") has problems somewhere, it's just a question of what you want to present in class to get the most important concepts across to them. In high school, the flaws in any theory are never the most important concepts, not in the freighterload of material that has to be covered in such a short period of time.

The vast bulk of other sciences -are- fact, and it's just plain silly to pretend otherwise. And before you come back with "Well, what about the Flat Earth Society?", I hate to tell you this, but people who consider ID to be a possibility aside from the religious aspect are not nearly so fringe, and it's really disrespectful, arrogant and rude to act as if they're simply insane.

The vast bulk of other sciences are NOT fact, and I think it's fair to ask the question that I asked earlier? After all, we talk about the composition of other planets as if they were fact. Why don't we sit down and tell the kiddies the arguments of why Europa has liquid oceans or not? Or where the Sodium Atmosphere of the moon comes from? Or any other of a number of Facts That Aren't Evolution? What do you think?

55 posted on 03/09/2004 7:36:03 PM PST by ThinkPlease (Fortune Favors the Bold!)
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To: yankeedame
Most board members want to let students debate evolution in science classrooms.

Good grief. There goes education.

56 posted on 03/09/2004 7:43:36 PM PST by Nebullis
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To: Qwinn
What a straw man. I don't see anyone claiming evolution shouldn't be taught. What they're saying is that -both- should be taught, that neither is "invalid". As an agnostic, I have no problem with that whatsoever. In fact, I consider it the quintessential agnostic position.

It's about what science knows. Evolution is controversial outside of science, not within. The objections to it are not about science.

For instance, science has moved past the question of whether fire is the result of oxidation or the rushing out of a substance called phlogiston. It's oxidation, period. There are things we don't know, but that's not one of them. It would be criminal to misrepresent that ancient question as being a current controversy.

The people who want to lie to the kids in Ohio are not promoting education.

57 posted on 03/09/2004 7:47:03 PM PST by VadeRetro
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To: longshadow
"critical analysis"

The creationists have found a new catch phrase.

58 posted on 03/09/2004 7:47:46 PM PST by Nebullis
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To: Nebullis
The creationists have found a new catch phrase.

Not surprising, when one considers that catchy phrases are about all they have to offer. The old ones get a bit ragged around the edges after they've been over-worked....

59 posted on 03/09/2004 7:55:21 PM PST by longshadow
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To: TonyRo76
Big, Biblical, Buckeye BUMP!

I'll second that.

Here's a thought. Couldn't the denial of creationist teaching in science be in violation of the XIV Amendment? If so, shouldn't that be Ohio's argument here?


Show 'em my motto!

60 posted on 03/09/2004 7:59:14 PM PST by rdb3 (The Servant of Jehovah is the Christ of Calvary and of the empty tomb. <><)
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