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Vanity: An Open Message to the Republican Party Cheerleaders on this Forum...
12-10-03 | Vanity

Posted on 12/10/2003 7:39:21 PM PST by ambrose

Vanity:

An Open Message to the Republican Party Cheerleaders on this Forum...



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To: PhiKapMom
See what Kevin Curry wrote in post 60:

After two interations of such malarkey, you have 25 percent of what you started with. After six iterations, you have about three percent.

You die by degrees, and you die ignobly.


Bush hasn't given me jack. He's vetoed nothing, gave an utterly compromised tax cut, wasted $400 billion on medicare giveaways, wasted $15 billion on AIDS in Africa, keeps sending up trial balloons about illegal alien amnesty, pushed an education bill Ted Kennedy could love, imposed steel tariffs, signed the bloated farm bill, and so forth.

Pray tell, WHAT 50% of what I want has Bush done?
81 posted on 12/10/2003 8:18:19 PM PST by TheAngryClam (Don't blame me, I voted for McClintock.)
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To: ambrose
The McCain-Feingold assault on our First Amendment rights was passed by a Republican-controlled Congress, signed into law by a Republican President, and affirmed by a Republican-controlled Supreme Court.

The Senate was not controlled by the Republicans and what difference would it have made given the final vote was 60-40. Here are the Republican Senators who voted yea: Chafee, Cochran, Collins, Domenici, Fitzgerald, Lugar, McCain, Snowe, Specter, Thompson and Warner. And even that DINO, Miller voted yea.

82 posted on 12/10/2003 8:18:23 PM PST by Dolphy
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To: ambrose; Huber
Until the judiciary and SCOTUS is re-balanced, I'm voting Republican. Nothing else matters more than getting the legislating judges off their **Beeping** benches. Then we can rise up within the party and get rid of the RINOs.
83 posted on 12/10/2003 8:18:30 PM PST by TaxRelief (Welcome to the only website dedicated to the sustenance of a free republic!)
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To: Sprite518
Republicans are what Democrats were 24 years ago. The Democrats are now Socialist.

You can see that with Zell Miller. Zell Miller hasn't changed... his party has.

84 posted on 12/10/2003 8:18:55 PM PST by ambrose
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To: SteveH; Sprite518; ETERNAL WARMING; ambrose
There is not much we can do at the Presidential level for 04, but if we all get behind the Constitution Party starting now we can be ready by 08.

Perhaps by that time W will have destroyed the Democratic Party by taking the GOP left, leaving room for a true conservative party.

http://www.constitutionparty.com
85 posted on 12/10/2003 8:20:20 PM PST by Ahban
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To: ambrose
I'm pulling out and I no longer give a shiite one way or another. But I must say that the excuses given on this thread (and on others) are beginning to sound kinda minimalist if not outright nihilistic. OK, desperate, full of resignation. "We've got to support the Pubbies because the only alternative is so much worse!" Indeed! You've got your two party, or rather one party with two wings, system, you love it, throw nothing but chauvinistic insults on every country that dares to deviate from this perfect utopian model, live with it, love it, I say!
86 posted on 12/10/2003 8:20:46 PM PST by Revolting cat! (Merry Shopping Season and a Happy Pre-Christmas Storewide Sales Event!)
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To: SteveH
Thanks for making the cheerleaders with red and white -- great Sooner colors! If we are going to be Bush cheerleaders at least their outfits can match the Sooners!
87 posted on 12/10/2003 8:20:49 PM PST by PhiKapMom (AOII Mom -- OU Sooners are #1in the BCS)
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To: TheAngryClam
At this point, I believe that national security issues must trumpet, and will be supporting the President. The war against Islamofascism is that important.

On the other hand, Congress would be a perfect vehicle in which to voice our wrath.
88 posted on 12/10/2003 8:20:55 PM PST by ambrose
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To: ambrose
It would, were it not for the fact that nearly all districts are gerrymandered to the point of invulnerability.
89 posted on 12/10/2003 8:22:39 PM PST by TheAngryClam (Don't blame me, I voted for McClintock.)
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To: ambrose
Your attacks on the GOP are a *SUREFIRE* ticket to *PRESIDENT DEAN* or God Forbid *PRESIDENT HITLERY*.
90 posted on 12/10/2003 8:23:12 PM PST by Sir Valentino
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To: Dolphy
Thanks for pointing out the facts about Republicans not controlling the Senate which was missed by the poster. It was veto proof so there was absolutely no reason for Bush to veto and have his veto overturned. That seems to be missing on here!

Political risk was not worth it IMO!
91 posted on 12/10/2003 8:23:20 PM PST by PhiKapMom (AOII Mom -- OU Sooners are #1in the BCS)
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To: PhiKapMom
The truth is that if one is willing to overlook his socially liberal point of view, he has many conservative qualities - focusing on fiscal (Vermont has an excellent record in that realm), is for states rights, he's not 'after' guns, he wants to break up the media monopoly....he's the best chance to Democrats have against Bush. Everything that conservatives 'fault' Bush for, so does he. Bush needs to pander to his conservative base with more than patriotic speeches. We all love the flag but we need real common sense Texas talk on why he has formulated so many government programs and whatnot....he needs a good 'ole townhall or fireside chat, imho.
92 posted on 12/10/2003 8:23:58 PM PST by Born in a Rage
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To: Sir Valentino
Like I said above, I prefer being stabbed in the chest than the back.
93 posted on 12/10/2003 8:24:08 PM PST by TheAngryClam (Don't blame me, I voted for McClintock.)
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To: Sprite518
I went through over seventy some post till I got to yours.Cat lovers can be some of the meanest,conservative, constitution lovin SOB's you could ever find.I bet my cat can beat up your dog.He beats up our dogs all the time.
94 posted on 12/10/2003 8:25:02 PM PST by eastforker (Money is the key to justice,just ask any lawyer.)
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To: PhiKapMom
60-40 in the senate, you need 2/3s to override a veto.

Veto would not have been overridden. Bush screwed conservatives, yet again.
95 posted on 12/10/2003 8:26:09 PM PST by TheAngryClam (Don't blame me, I voted for McClintock.)
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To: Dolphy
Have you noticed that some of these posters are sounding like the Bush hating democRATs at DU and RATs.com? Could it be? Are they really conservative or are they here to try and split conservatives with their posts that sound like the Bush was selected not elected crowd.

96 posted on 12/10/2003 8:26:28 PM PST by PhiKapMom (AOII Mom -- OU Sooners are #1in the BCS)
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To: TheAngryClam
You must be becoming an even angrier clam seeing as how most people here are not going to join your "defeat Bush" bandwagon.
97 posted on 12/10/2003 8:26:38 PM PST by Wait4Truth
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To: TheAngryClam
I was told they had the votes to override if it came to that because of the reaction of some of the Senators in States that are borderline getting elected. They could vote against the bill but could not vote to support the veto.
98 posted on 12/10/2003 8:28:00 PM PST by PhiKapMom (AOII Mom -- OU Sooners are #1in the BCS)
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To: ambrose
Here's your Senators that voted Yea........

March 20, 2002

Grouped By Vote Position

YEAs ---60
Akaka (D-HI)
Baucus (D-MT)
Bayh (D-IN)
Biden (D-DE)
Bingaman (D-NM)
Boxer (D-CA)
Byrd (D-WV)
Cantwell (D-WA)
Carnahan (D-MO)
Carper (D-DE)
Chafee (R-RI)
Cleland (D-GA)
Clinton (D-NY)
Cochran (R-MS)
Collins (R-ME)
Conrad (D-ND)
Corzine (D-NJ)
Daschle (D-SD)
Dayton (D-MN)
Dodd (D-CT)
Domenici (R-NM)
Dorgan (D-ND)
Durbin (D-IL)
Edwards (D-NC)
Feingold (D-WI)
Feinstein (D-CA)
Fitzgerald (R-IL)
Graham (D-FL)
Harkin (D-IA)
Hollings (D-SC)
Inouye (D-HI)
Jeffords (I-VT)
Johnson (D-SD)
Kennedy (D-MA)
Kerry (D-MA)
Kohl (D-WI)
Landrieu (D-LA)
Leahy (D-VT)
Levin (D-MI)
Lieberman (D-CT)
Lincoln (D-AR)
Lugar (R-IN)
McCain (R-AZ)
Mikulski (D-MD)
Miller (D-GA)
Murray (D-WA)
Nelson (D-FL)
Reed (D-RI)
Reid (D-NV)
Rockefeller (D-WV)
Sarbanes (D-MD)
Schumer (D-NY)
Snowe (R-ME)
Specter (R-PA)
Stabenow (D-MI)
Thompson (R-TN)
Torricelli (D-NJ)
Warner (R-VA)
Wellstone (D-MN)
Wyden (D-OR)

And the Representatives

--- AYES    240 ---

Abercrombie Green (TX) Napolitano
Ackerman Greenwood Neal
Allen Grucci Oberstar
Andrews Gutierrez Obey
Baca Hall (OH) Olver
Baird Harman Ortiz
Baldacci Hastings (FL) Osborne
Baldwin Hill Ose
Barrett Hinchey Owens
Bass Hinojosa Pallone
Becerra Hoeffel Pascrell
Bentsen Holden Pastor
Bereuter Holt Payne
Berkley Honda Pelosi
Berman Hooley Petri
Berry Horn Phelps
Bishop Houghton Platts
Blagojevich Hoyer Pomeroy
Blumenauer Inslee Price (NC)
Boehlert Israel Quinn
Bonior Jackson (IL) Ramstad
Bono Jackson-Lee (TX) Rangel
Borski Jefferson Reyes
Boswell John Rivers
Boyd Johnson (CT) Rodriguez
Brady (PA) Johnson (IL) Roemer
Brown (FL) Johnson, E. B. Ros-Lehtinen
Brown (OH) Jones (OH) Ross
Capito Kanjorski Rothman
Capps Kaptur Roybal-Allard
Capuano Kennedy (RI) Rush
Cardin Kildee Sabo
Carson (IN) Kilpatrick Sanchez
Carson (OK) Kind (WI) Sanders
Castle Kirk Sandlin
Clay Kleczka Sawyer
Clayton Kucinich Schakowsky
Clement LaFalce Schiff
Clyburn Lampson Serrano
Condit Langevin Shays
Conyers Lantos Sherman
Costello Larsen (WA) Simmons
Coyne Larson (CT) Skelton
Cramer LaTourette Slaughter
Crowley Leach Smith (MI)
Cummings Lee Smith (WA)
Davis (CA) Levin Snyder
Davis (FL) Lewis (GA) Solis
Davis (IL) LoBiondo Spratt
DeFazio Lofgren Stark
DeGette Lowey Stenholm
Delahunt Lucas (KY) Strickland
DeLauro Luther Stupak
Deutsch Lynch Tanner
Dicks Maloney (CT) Tauscher
Dingell Maloney (NY) Taylor (MS)
Doggett Markey Thompson (CA)
Dooley Mascara Thune
Doyle Matheson Thurman
Edwards Matsui Tierney
Engel McCarthy (MO) Towns
Eshoo McCarthy (NY) Turner
Etheridge McCollum Udall (CO)
Evans McDermott Udall (NM)
Farr McGovern Upton
Fattah McHugh Velazquez
Ferguson McIntyre Visclosky
Filner McKinney Walsh
Foley McNulty Wamp
Ford Meehan Waters
Frank Meek (FL) Watson (CA)
Frelinghuysen Meeks (NY) Watt (NC)
Frost Menendez Waxman
Ganske Millender-McDonald Weiner
Gephardt Miller, George Weldon (PA)
Gilchrest Mink Wexler
Gilman Moore Wolf
Gonzalez Moran (VA) Woolsey
Gordon Morella Wu
Graham Nadler Wynn

--- NOT VOTING    6 ---

Brady (TX) Hefley Roukema
Cubin Riley Traficant

99 posted on 12/10/2003 8:28:42 PM PST by deport
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To: Howlin
This was the first piece of legislation Daschle drug on the floor of the Senate as soon as Jeffords jumped.


Yep and , if we all would recall, this was a lead story in all media outlets, beating their gums about it to a point where reality was trumped by perception.
100 posted on 12/10/2003 8:29:15 PM PST by gatorbait (Yesterday, today and tomorrow......The United States Army)
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