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To: Dolphy
Have you noticed that some of these posters are sounding like the Bush hating democRATs at DU and RATs.com? Could it be? Are they really conservative or are they here to try and split conservatives with their posts that sound like the Bush was selected not elected crowd.

96 posted on 12/10/2003 8:26:28 PM PST by PhiKapMom (AOII Mom -- OU Sooners are #1in the BCS)
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To: PhiKapMom
Yeah, that's it, we're all just liberal "Bush haters."

Just remember to march in line, and don't ask any questions.

Pop quiz: Conservative or Liberal?

- Largest increase in non-defense government spending in a generation.

- Largest increase in Medicare since its inception.

- Massively expanded the power of the federal government at the cost of the states (No Child Left Behind, PB Abortion Ban, and several other bills).

What's next from Bush? A guaranteed minimum income?
104 posted on 12/10/2003 8:31:59 PM PST by TheAngryClam (Don't blame me, I voted for McClintock.)
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To: PhiKapMom
Have you noticed that some of these posters are sounding like the Bush hating democRATs at DU and RATs.com?

Yes, I have noticed.

It was my first boss who cautioned me about the way I planned to handle an issue that came up on the first project I led. He said, "You are perfectly right, and you can win this issue. You will also lose the support of those people on the entire project." I have not forgotten that, it is wise to choose ones battles carefully.

291 posted on 12/10/2003 9:59:32 PM PST by Dolphy
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To: PhiKapMom
You're quite correct. There are some DU asshats who come over here and try to make Dean look like a "reasonable" alternative to conservatives.

In point of fact, Howard Dean would be an unmitigated disaster as a wartime President. Think of Neville Chamberlain remaining PM during the summer of 1940. If you want the dead on take on Dean, go to David Brooks' column in the NYT yesterday:

My moment of illumination about Howard Dean came one day in Iowa when I saw him lean into a crowd and begin a sentence with, "Us rural people. . . ."

Dean grew up on Park Avenue and in East Hampton. If he's a rural person, I'm the Queen of Sheba. Yet he said it with conviction. He said it uninhibited by any fear that someone might laugh at or contradict him.

It was then that I saw how Dean had liberated himself from his past, liberated himself from his record and liberated himself from the restraints that bind conventional politicians. He has freed himself to say anything, to be anybody.

Other candidates run on their biographies or their records. They keep policy staff from their former lives, and they try to keep their policy positions reasonably consistent.

But Dean runs less on biography than any other candidate in recent years. When he began running for president, he left his past behind, along with the encumbrances that go with it. As governor of Vermont, he was a centrist Democrat. But the new Dean who appeared on the campaign trail — a jarring sight for the Vermonters who knew his previous self — is an angry maverick.

The old Dean was a free trader. The new Dean is not. The old Dean was open to Medicare reform. The new Dean says Medicare is off the table. The old Dean courted the N.R.A.; the new Dean has swung in favor of gun control. The old Dean was a pro-business fiscal moderate; the new Dean, sounding like Ralph Nader, declares, "We've allowed our lives to become slaves to the bottom line of multinational corporations all over the world."

The philosopher George Santayana once observed that Americans don't bother to refute ideas — they just leave them behind. Dean shed his upper-crust WASP self, then his centrist governor self, bursting onto the national scene as a mysterious stranger who comes out of nowhere to battle corruption.

The newly liberated Dean is uninhibited. A normal person with no defense policy experience would not have the chutzpah to say, "Mr. President, if you'll pardon me, I'll teach you a little about defense." But Dean says it. A normal person, with an eye to past or future relationships, wouldn't compare Congress to "a bunch of cockroaches." Dean did it.

The newly liberated Dean doesn't worry about having a coherent political philosophy. There is a parlor game among Washington pundits called How Liberal Is Howard Dean? One group pores over his speeches, picks out the things no liberal could say and argues that he's actually a centrist. Another group picks out the things no centrist could say and argues that he's quite liberal.

But the liberated Dean is beyond categories like liberal and centrist because he is beyond coherence. He'll make a string of outspoken comments over a period of weeks — on "re-regulating" the economy or gay marriage — but none of them have any relation to the others. When you actually try to pin him down on a policy, you often find there is nothing there.

For example, asked how we should proceed in Iraq, he says hawkishly, "We can't pull out responsibly." Then on another occasion he says dovishly, "Our troops need to come home," and explains, fantastically, that we need to recruit 110,000 foreign troops to take the place of our reserves. Then he says we should not be spending billions more dollars there. Then he says again that we have to stay and finish the job.

At each moment, he appears outspoken, blunt and honest. But over time he is incoherent and contradictory.

He is, in short, a man unrooted. This gives him an amazing freshness and an exhilarating freedom.

Everybody talks about how the Internet has been key to his fund-raising and organization. Nobody talks about how it has shaped his persona. On the Internet, the long term doesn't matter, as long as you are blunt and forceful at that moment. On the Internet, a new persona is just a click away. On the Internet, everyone is loosely tethered, careless and free. Dean is the Internet man, a string of exhilarating moments and daring accusations.

The only problem is that us rural folk distrust people who reinvent themselves. Many of us rural folk are nervous about putting the power of the presidency in the hands of a man who could be anyone.  

There it is folks. Dean in a freaking nutshell. Howard Dean's positions have been moving back and forth because all he has is his ability to stoke the angry base. That was why he came out with that 9-11 smear against Bush on Diane Rehm's show a couple of weeks back.

See, Dean looks like the Young Jesus now because Bush and Rove haven't started in on him yet. But they will, because Dean has given them so much to work with. Dean doesn't have convictions. He has attitude and shrewdness. His free ride is about to end.

When you think of Howard Dean, remember what Gertrude Stein said about the City of Oakland: "There's no there, there."

Be Seeing You,

Chris

491 posted on 12/11/2003 6:52:01 AM PST by section9 (Major Kusanagi says, "Click on my pic and read my blog, or eat lead!")
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