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Mother of all Indo-European languages was born in Turkey
AFP ^ | 11/26/2003 | N/A

Posted on 11/26/2003 5:35:02 PM PST by a_Turk

PARIS (AFP) - The vast group of languages that dominates Europe and much of Central and South Asia originated around 8,000 years ago among farmers in what is now Anatolia, Turkey.

So say a pair of New Zealand academics who have remarkably retraced the family tree of so-called Indo-European languages -- a linguistic classification that covers scores of tongues ranging from Faroese to Hindi by way of English, French, German, Gujarati, Nepalese and Russian.

Russell Gray and Quentin Atkinson, psychologists at the University of Auckland, built their language tree on the same principles as the theory of genetic evolution.

According to this idea, words, like genes, survive according to their fitness.

Imported words take root in a language in response to evolutionary pressures or if they answer a need, and words can also fall out of use, rather like "silent" DNA that appears to be a relic in the genome and serves no known purpose.

The languages that are spoken and written today are the result of historical layering, of addition and deletion, that can be carefully scraped away to trace their previous sources, Gray and Atkinson suggest in the British weekly scientific journal Nature.

The similarity is phylogeny -- the reconstruction of the evolutionary history of organisms.

In theory, an evolutionary biologist one can work all the way back to LUCA: the "last universal common ancestor," presumed to be a bacterium, which evolved into all life as we know it today.

Using a parallel method, Gray and Atkinson turned back the clock on 87 languages, using sophisticated software to trace the path taken by 2,449 "cognates" -- fundamental words in each language that are presumed to derive from a common ancestor.

Their study produces an estimated age-range for the very first Indo-European language of between 7,800 and 9,800 years ago, among rural communities who lived in modern-day Anatolia and for whom there is already an impressive array of archaeological evidence.

Successful pioneers in agriculture, these people migrated westwards and eastwards and the languages evolved accordingly, becoming the tongues that today are so diverse that they would seem to share no common link.

"The pattern and timing of expansion... is consistent with the Anatolian farming theory," Gray and Atkinson suggest.

"Radiocarbon analysis of the earliest Neolithic sites across Europe suggests that agriculture arrived in Greece at some time during the ninth millennium BP (before the present day) and had received as far as Scotland by 5,500 BP."

About 6,000 years ago, the western branch of linguistic migration began to fork into smaller branches, according to their calculations.

The branches progressively became the Celtic languages (2,900 years ago), Romance languages (1,700 years ago) and, 1,750 years ago, the Germanic languages of northern Europe, including rudimentary English.

As for the eastern branch, the biggest fork occurred about 4,600 years ago.

It split into two groups, one of which became the languages of Central Asia today while the other eventually evolved into the major languages of the latter-day sub-continent.

The rival to the Anatolian theory is the notion that roving tribes of Kurgan horsemen expanded into Europe and the Middle East from the steppes of Asia around 6,000 years ago, sowing the linguistic seed for what would become all Indo-European languages today.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; News/Current Events; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: anatolia; asiaminor; cuneiform; epigraphyandlanguage; ggg; godsgravesglyphs; indoeuropean; language; lineara; linearb; linguistics; turkey
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To: a_Turk

21 posted on 11/26/2003 6:48:57 PM PST by sourcery (This is your country. This is your country under socialism. Any questions? Just say no to Socialism!)
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To: stanz
I believe that this belief was disproved more than 150 years ago. See other posts for current state of knowledge.
22 posted on 11/26/2003 6:53:55 PM PST by maro
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To: a_Turk
Try UNDER the black sea....
23 posted on 11/26/2003 6:55:34 PM PST by Hunble
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To: putupon
>> Yeah, everybody knows thats when they were Ottomans.


You're not serious, right?
24 posted on 11/26/2003 7:17:57 PM PST by a_Turk (Temperance, Fortitude, Prudence, and Justice..)
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To: Jabba the Nutt
Hindi.
25 posted on 11/26/2003 7:20:06 PM PST by a_Turk (Temperance, Fortitude, Prudence, and Justice..)
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To: a_Turk
Interesting article. I enjoy history. Keep me pinged on stuff like this.
26 posted on 11/26/2003 7:37:45 PM PST by SpookBrat
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To: a_Turk

Another far flung language group, I think called Altaic, started where present day Mongolia is today. This group gave rise to presdent day Mongolian and Turkish languages, also Hungarian, Finnish, Estonian and possibly Japanese and Koran.
27 posted on 11/26/2003 7:40:36 PM PST by JNB
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To: Servant of the 9; a_Turk; Cool Guy
"The curious thing is that the Black Sea wasn't there 8 to 9 thousand BP. The Mediteranean didn't break through into the Black Sea Basin till around 7 thousand BP."

"A lot of people are beginning to gues that the true source of the Indo European peoples was under the present Black Sea."

You got it. The Black Sea flood (Noah's Flood) 7,600 years ago changed everything. At that time the whole region was very arid, people were crowded around the fresh water Black Sea as fishermen and irrigation farmers, most were farmers. (The sea edge and the river valleys were the only places liveable)

When the 'plug' at the Bosporus broke, the water in the whole Black Sea began to rise at the rate of six inches a day and covered the villages around the edge under 550 feet of salt water. Most survived and were able to walk away with what they could carry and their animals.
The survivors streamed up the river valleys of the Don, Dniepier, Danube and others shoving out or killing the valley inhabitants before them. Remember, the river valleys were the only inhabitable areas now (fresh water) because the Black Sea is becoming salt water, everyone's world changed.

These refugees streamed into Europe bringing farming and the language with them. They streamed across the Anatolian Plateau to become the Sumerians (Gilgamesh), Egyptians (pyramid builders) and others. They set out across the steppes where they were recently discovered as mummies in China (Tocharians) and some even believe they are the Ainu of Japan(I don't). They are also the Aryians who invaded Northern India.

28 posted on 11/26/2003 7:42:30 PM PST by blam
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To: a_Turk
Yikes... Ike Ants Pee King Lish !!! ;-))

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29 posted on 11/26/2003 7:44:38 PM PST by GeekDejure ( LOL = Liberals Obey Lucifer !!!)
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To: a_Turk
bump for later ..........
30 posted on 11/26/2003 7:46:21 PM PST by RedWhiteBlue
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To: putupon
Yeah, everybody knows thats when they were Ottomans.

Ottomans? I'm confused!

32 posted on 11/26/2003 7:50:40 PM PST by Revolting cat! (Merry Pre-Xmas Storewide Sales Event For Limited Time Only!)
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To: a_Turk
.....for later
33 posted on 11/26/2003 8:06:53 PM PST by rface (Ashland, Missouri - Republicans for Dean)
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To: blam
Your comments make a lot of sense to me, intuitively. Can you point me to any good books on the subject?
34 posted on 11/26/2003 8:10:13 PM PST by ARepublicanForAllReasons
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To: ARepublicanForAllReasons
"Can you point me to any good books on the subject?"

A book by Ryan & Pittman titled Noah's Flood

35 posted on 11/26/2003 8:34:43 PM PST by blam
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets
Another example of the satem/centum divide is the word for "heart." In Greek (centum) it is "kardia." In Latin (centum) it is "cor" (root "cord-"). In English (centum) the initial "k" sound has changed to an "h" giving us "heart." (The same k/h correspondence can be seen in the Greek, Latin, and English words for "dog" [kyon/canis/hound]...and that's why the English word for 100 starts with an "h"). In Russian (satem), the word for "heart" is "serdtse." (Same root but the "k" sound is replaced with an "s" sound.)
36 posted on 11/26/2003 8:41:25 PM PST by Verginius Rufus
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To: ARepublicanForAllReasons
J. P. Mallory, In Search of the Indo-Europeans (Thames and Hudson, 1989; ISBN 0-500-27616-1).
37 posted on 11/26/2003 8:43:56 PM PST by Verginius Rufus
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To: a_Turk
Italian Archaeologist: Anatolia - Home To First Civilization On Earth
38 posted on 11/26/2003 8:49:26 PM PST by blam
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To: ARepublicanForAllReasons; Verginius Rufus
Tracking The Tarim Mummies
39 posted on 11/26/2003 8:56:56 PM PST by blam
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets
I haven't given serious study to anything as exotic as Sanskrit, but how languages evolved has long been an interest of mine. Since the Indo-European languages are related, the study of one can pay off in interesting ways. For example, I recently "discovered" the Latvian language. I can read Russian and German and was aware of the Baltic languages but had not studied them. I recently obtained a Bible in Latvian, and immediately saw the "Russian" grammar all over the place! Many of the words have more or less similar counterparts in Russian, German (and Swedish) and Latin. The more Latvian I read, the more of it "clicks" in my mind. What did not "click" was when I have tried to read a language like Hungarian that is from a different framework. I was unable to guess at the meaning of the words or the sentence structure in Hungarian -- I was completely in unfamiliar territory.
40 posted on 11/26/2003 9:13:30 PM PST by Wilhelm Tell (Lurking since 1997!)
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