Florida: Complaints over restaurants not complying with smoking ban

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[SheLion]

DUVAL COUNTY, FL -- Florida's smoking ban was officially put into place on July 1st but not everyone is abiding. The state has had close to 800 complaints on restaurants that are not complying with the rules.

In Duval County, there have been 19 complaints with the majority coming from customers of RP McMurphy's located in Jacksonville Beach. The restaurant has received a warning and has 30 days to comply.

[VRWC_minion]

Your beef is with the SC, back as early as 1877. One of these principles is, that every State possesses exclusive jurisdiction and sovereignty over persons and property within its territory. As a consequence, every State has the power to determine for itself the civil status and capacities of its inhabitants; to prescribe the subjects upon which they may contract, the forms and solemnities with which their contracts shall be executed, the rights and obligations arising from them, and the mode in which their validity shall be determined and their obligations enforced; and also the regulate the manner and conditions upon which property situated within such territory, both personal and real, may be acquired, enjoyed, and transferred.

[VRWC_minion]

Excellent straw man argument. Care gto go back on topic ?

[metesky]

This is the second time I've seen you advising others to cut newbies some slack, the first time it was to me. If they, or you, can't take the heat, skippy... You know the drill. And it will do you no good to start telling others how to behave.

I've seen you on other threads and agree with a lot of what you have to say, but you'll be better off around here to stick to the subject of the thread and stop trying to play Miss Manners.

The skirt makes your a$$ look fat.

[Max McGarrity]

minnie, for your argument to work, you MUST believe that any person has the absolute right to work at a particular job AND have that job conform to his/her comfort. I think I'll go be CEO of Microsoft. Move over, Bill Gates! It's my RIGHT!!

Sheesh.

[Shryke]

My beef is not with SCOTUS. Nor with the state. My beef is with the voters, with poor cause, IMO, enacting legislation that violates private property. Remember, SCOTUS, acting as the Federal Court, can overturn any state law deemend unconstitutional. Just because voters in this state are allowed to enact poor legislation doesn't mean they should do it.

[Max McGarrity]

Why are you against letting nonsmokers choose to be waitstaff ?/i/p

No one wants to deny nonsmokers the CHOICE of WHAT to be or WHERE to work but you and your kind, minnie.

[VRWC_minion]

My friend, the reimbursal of lost revenue is strictly the owner's business to pursue. Just like his smoking policy. I don't encourage people to pursue their rights, I argue against those who wish to limit them. Their is a giant philisophical difference there.

Translation:If it doesn't help me to smoke whereever I want then screw'em

[Madame Dufarge]

Let's call them Schedule Nazis.

Let's call you a control freak.

[VRWC_minion]

Why do you automatically take the stance that everyone that disagrees with you is a smoker.

I didn't assume that with that poster. I didn't refer to him.

I guess this means you missed the little pun too ?

[CSM]

"My beef is not with SCOTUS. Nor with the state. My beef is with the voters, with poor cause, IMO, enacting legislation that violates private property. Remember, SCOTUS, acting as the Federal Court, can overturn any state law deemend unconstitutional. Just because voters in this state are allowed to enact poor legislation doesn't mean they should do it."

Your post brought to mind a very sobering thought. SCOTUS ruled that a State can not infringe upon an individuals rights to perform some sex acts. Yet, some posters use the SCOTUS as the end all and be all with regards to private property rights being surrendered to the States.

Heck, if we can ban smoking that must be constitutional, goodness knows that that eviiiiil activity should be banned anyway!

[Madame Dufarge]

So in a free society the voters of Florida can't pass a constitutional amendment? I guess it's only free if you agree with it?

In a Constitutional Republic, which we purportedly still are, the rights of the minority cannot be voted away by the majority.

I propose that a majority of us on this thread vote to take your house from you.

You can keep the drapes.

[VRWC_minion]

He must have been a founding father baby grown to a ripe old age puffing on his pipe.

Follow the references back, I'm sure they are on solid legal ground.

Listen, you smokers just don;t want to admit the Locke's property theory isn't what this country is based on. It is beautifull in thought but it was never practical in effect.

It appears that smokers are in denial about the law as it regards property, and the structure of gov't as it regards rights.

[Just another Joe]

I guess this means you missed the little pun too ?

Oh no, I caught the pun, I didn't want to dignify it by alluding to it.
You may not have referred to that poster directly as a smoker but indirectly, you know that is how you were writing to them.
Do you deny it?

[Graybeard58]

This is the second time I've seen you advising others to cut newbies some slack, the first time it was to me. If they, or you, can't take the heat, skippy... You know the drill. And it will do you no good to start telling others how to behave.

I've seen you on other threads and agree with a lot of what you have to say, but you'll be better off around here to stick to the subject of the thread and stop trying to play Miss Manners.

The skirt makes your a$$ look fat.

...You are telling me to stop playing miss manners, yet it is you telling me how to act? Others may behave however they please. I will behave with manners and not tell you how to think.

...If I knew what this meant: "The skirt makes your a$$ look fat" I would reply to that too.

[Just another Joe]

Follow the references back

You are the one that made the statement about the founding fathers, YOU follow the references back and let me know when you come to a founding father.

[metesky]

Good afternoon, M'am.

[Shryke]

Translation:If it doesn't help me to smoke whereever I want then screw'em.

I can see why would translate what I said like that. You are, for lack of a better term, a "big-government" person. I am not.

You also have a giant error in your assumption. If the business owner decided NOT TO ALLOW SMOKING then I would be absolutely fine with it. Everyone here would. I would not try to enact legislation to change that.

[VRWC_minion]

minnie, for your argument to work, you MUST believe that any person has the absolute right to work at a particular job AND have that job conform to his/her comfort.

My argument is that he has the at least the SAME rights as every other worker. Your argument is that he has less rights than every other worker soley because of his chosen work.

[Just another Joe]

Listen, you smokers just don;t want to admit the Locke's property theory isn't what this country is based on.

You're right.
This country was built on rebellion to a tyrannical dictator who excessively taxed a product without getting representation of those being taxed.

Now, what does that sound like?
Understand me, I am NOT, I repeat NOT, comparing myself to a founding father.
I'm not fit to shine most of their shoes.
It does make a striking comparison though, doesn't it?

[VRWC_minion]

Just because voters in this state are allowed to enact poor legislation doesn't mean they should do it.

WElcome to the political free market.