Florida: Complaints over restaurants not complying with smoking ban

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[SheLion]

DUVAL COUNTY, FL -- Florida's smoking ban was officially put into place on July 1st but not everyone is abiding. The state has had close to 800 complaints on restaurants that are not complying with the rules.

In Duval County, there have been 19 complaints with the majority coming from customers of RP McMurphy's located in Jacksonville Beach. The restaurant has received a warning and has 30 days to comply.

[VRWC_minion]

I'm not suprised that you would write something such as this .

I'm not surprised that you ignore facts. Its something smokers seem to make a habit of.

[Shryke]

I'm not surprised that you ignore facts. Its something smokers seem to make a habit of.

I see most smokers on this thread expressing awed anger at how little private property is valued by people like you. Or do I have it wrong? Just when, exactly do we ignore private property? Any "health hazard"? Do you have any idea what that can snowball into?

[Madame Dufarge]

The smokers disagree because they really don't gove two craps about the owner

Have you been drugged into insensibility or are these your lucid thoughts?

Are you really arguing that business owners are our best friends, laboring under some hideous "capitalism through a distant mirror" view that socialists have? Business owners understand competion, and they consider their patrons their friends to the same degree that their patrons consider the owners their "friends."

Most other adults understand the dynamic.

[Max McGarrity]

One of the silliest things that smokers do is to claim that the government somehow has no right to regulate health issues in businesses that serve food or drink. Where have you people been all your lives? Ever hear of state hotel and restaurant commissions? State boards of health?

Interestingly, many Constitutional scholars and a few politicians agree with us that the State boards of Health, etc. are there to protect people from HIDDEN dangers, not those about which they can make their own decisions. A restaurant patron cannot immediately tell if the food has been kept cold enough or if there are roaches in the kitchen, but they can certainly read a sign on the door that says "Smoking Permitted Here." It's not government's job to "protect" people against their will.

[Wheee The People]

In a free society, it's none of your business if people choose to take risks.

So in a free society the voters of Florida can't pass a constitutional amendment? I guess it's only free if you agree with it?

[Dooderbutt]

"No, only around children. I think its abusive and parents should be held responsible for it."

So, now that fast food is becoming our nation's 'next grave health concern', you're just going be revelling it when our oh so caring government makes it illegal to eat a burger in front of our children? God forbid I have to go to a Wendy's to get a salad and smell those damn burgers, fries and fried chicken sandwiches. I don't have time to go anywhere else for lunch (and God knows I'm not able to make lunch myself!!) How about your next door neighbor, who brings home KFC on Thursdays and the aroma of fried chicken wafts over to your yard? How dare that selfish meanie tempt me and my children with that evil fat!

And for the record, I am so freakin' surprised that I lived to be 32! I worked for seven years waitressing in a pool hall. Guess what? It was smokey as hell, and I wasn't a smoker. You know what? IT WAS MY CHOICE TO WORK THERE!!! Get it - my choice? What makes this country great (or used to anyway). I had the choice to work there or find a job somewhere else. I didn't bitch that everyone should put out there cigarrettes so that I wouldn't be annoyed!!

[Max McGarrity]

And the coal miners would rather risk black lung for a paycheck this week. The business drop off following bans has proven to be temporary.

That's small comfort to those without jobs or businesses, and there are many.

[Shryke]

And I have never seen a smoker give two craps about the owner getting compensated by the state for the taking of his property.

My friend, the reimbursal of lost revenue is strictly the owner's business to pursue. Just like his smoking policy. I don't encourage people to pursue their rights, I argue against those who wish to limit them. Their is a giant philisophical difference there.

[Max McGarrity]

That is the problem, isn't it? In a nutshell. Amazing that we, as an allegedly free people, cannot see that we really are halfway down that slippery slope and picking up speed.

[Madame Dufarge]

Dog lovers are Nazis.....

You continue to make a fool of yourself.

[Just another Joe]

Its something smokers seem to make a habit of.

Why do you automatically take the stance that everyone that disagrees with you is a smoker.
There are probably a small majority, if a majority at all, of smokers on these type of threads.
The rest don't smoke, they just don't want to have your version of socialism, or facism, (whichever) take away the property rights of other citizens using junk science and scare tactics.

[VRWC_minion]

The several States of the Union are not, it is true, in every respect independent, many of the right and powers which originally belonged to them being now vested in the government created by the Constitution. But, except as restrained and limited by that instrument, they possess and exercise the authority of independent States, and the principles of public law to which we have referred are applicable to them. One of these principles is, that every State possesses exclusive jurisdiction and sovereignty over persons and property within its territory. As a consequence, every State has the power to determine for itself the civil status and capacities of its inhabitants; to prescribe the subjects upon which they may contract, the forms and solemnities with which their contracts shall be executed, the rights and obligations arising from them, and the mode in which their validity shall be determined and their obligations enforced; and also the regulate the manner and conditions upon which property situated within such territory, both personal and real, may be acquired, enjoyed, and transferred. PENNOYER v. NEFF, 95 U.S. 714, 722 (1877).

[Chancellor Palpatine]

Oh wait a minute - Hitler was a vegetarian - so vegetarians are Nazis.

Look - oppose the policy, I'm not that fond of them myself, and still consider myself a smoker. At the same time, avoid the Nazi word - it trivializes the word, and leads people to not take you seriously.

[Madame Dufarge]

I'll buy it from you.

[Just another Joe]

So in a free society the voters of Florida can't pass a constitutional amendment?

One question for you and one statement for you.

What percentage of Floridians voted, either for or against, on this amendment?

I know what the percentage was and the rest of Florida got exactly what they deserve for not going to the polls, socialism at it's best/worst.

[Liberal Classic]

Slippery slope? Bobsled line is more like it. It's a dark day when Republicans don't even give lip service to property rights, but espouse the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few and for the children.

[VRWC_minion]

Ah, minnie, comments like this prove that the foundation of your beliefs lies in your hatred of smokers, not in the facts

Not me.

[Just another Joe]

I didn't know there was a founding father around in 1877.

He must have been a founding father baby grown to a ripe old age puffing on his pipe.

[Just another Joe]

Not me.

BS

[Madame Dufarge]

Sounds more like it's from iamadoofus.com or letsmakeupstuff.com

Bwahahahahahahahaha!

notintheface.com.