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A Ben Carson implosion isn't good news for Republican elites. It's good news for Trump.
Vox ^ | November 6, 2015 | Dylan Matthews

Posted on 11/06/2015 11:54:50 AM PST by 2ndDivisionVet

Due to the catastrophizing tendencies of political journalism, the revelation that Ben Carson has been lying about getting into West Point for 25 years has prompted rampant speculation about what happens if his campaign collapses and he drops out. Multiple commentators suggested that Ted Cruz, who, like Carson, is trying to court evangelical voters, has the most to gain...

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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I think Carson voters would gravitate toward Cruz.


21 posted on 11/06/2015 12:24:40 PM PST by Mike Darancette (CA the sanctuary state for stupid.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

FR should never join a lynch mob.

Pray America wakes


22 posted on 11/06/2015 12:33:40 PM PST by bray (If Obama had a son he would be a cop killer.)
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To: DivineMomentsOfTruth

It seems that Dr. Carson also told the same lie on Charlie Rose’s show? Was it a lie, or did he just not get the right words out. I dunno.


23 posted on 11/06/2015 12:48:46 PM PST by Catsrus ( I callz 'em as I seez 'em.)
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To: Tenacious 1
So the libs are helping Trump and Cruz by killing Carson to soon. I like Carson. I like what Trump has done for this election. I want to see Cruz be the next President. I don’t want Rubio. I want vote for anyone else.

Perhaps they are thinking that they are helping the RINO, Rubio. I agree with what you are saying though, I think they would be helping Trump and hopefully Cruz.

24 posted on 11/06/2015 12:49:09 PM PST by FreeReign
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To: Sir Napsalot
I have said from the minute Carson got a couple of polls in which he was ahead of Trump that the media would turn on Carson, thinking Trump was dead. I expected this kind of attack.

If they knock Carson down so they can elevate Cruz, same thing. They will begin the nasty attacks on Ted. Trump has weathered this stuff for four months.

25 posted on 11/06/2015 12:50:15 PM PST by LS ("Castles Made of Sand, Fall in the Sea . . . Eventually" (Hendrix))
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To: Cold Heat

Carson’s Face book Page about an offer from West Point that West Point said was never made:

“The next question is from Bill. He wanted to know if it was true that I was offered a slot at West Point after high school.
Bill, that is true. I was the highest student ROTC member in Detroit and was thrilled to get an offer from West Point. But I knew medicine is what I wanted to do. So I applied to only one school. (it was all the money I had). I applied to Yale and thank God they accepted me. I often wonder what might have happened had they said no.”


26 posted on 11/06/2015 1:06:08 PM PST by conservativejoy (We Can Elect Ted Cruz! Pray Hard, Work Hard, Trust God!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Ben Carson is on Hannity right now.


27 posted on 11/06/2015 1:07:06 PM PST by DivineMomentsOfTruth
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To: conservativejoy

West Point and it’s associates actually do the majority the recruiting for the school. These “offers” come in the form of personal encouragement to begin the application process. These “offers” do not come directly from the school but from alums and connected entities like the ROTC. The “offer” is no more than a encouragement and offer of assistance to get a approved sponsor to recommend the candidate.

In the case of Carson, he turned it down flat, immediately so it never got past the “You might consider” stage. no sponsor was ever approached and no effort was made to obtain one. have there been a effort, West Point would them have information, but it never went beyond “you might consider”.

In your apparent support of another candidate who would benefit from the exit of Carson, you and others have justified these media assaults on Carson and would do the same for any other candidate but yours.

This is not the way we should be comporting ourselves. The lib media is the enemy here and not our friends. If you have a argument against Carson on the merits, and not on BS, then make it or shut the hell up. “If you lie down with dogs, you will get up with fleas.”


28 posted on 11/06/2015 1:48:35 PM PST by Cold Heat
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To: alloysteel
And who fed this bit of disinformation to Politico? Rest assured it was not the Democrats, but more certainly, it was someone who claims to be “Republican” - but with an agenda.

So then taking out Carson at this point would help who?

29 posted on 11/06/2015 1:57:16 PM PST by FreeReign
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To: LS

Carson will be on the Mark Levin show tonight sy 6:30 pm.

twitter: Mark R. Levin ‏@marklevinshow 28m28 minutes ago

Ben Carson’s scheduled to come on the show this evening at 6:30 PM eastern
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30 posted on 11/06/2015 2:40:13 PM PST by sheikdetailfeather
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To: sheikdetailfeather

correction: at 6:30 pm.


31 posted on 11/06/2015 2:40:47 PM PST by sheikdetailfeather
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Read the second to the last page on the West Point prospectus at

http://www.westpoint.edu/admissions/shared%20documents/wp_prospectus.pdf

IT STATES:

ADMISSIONS DECISIONS

West Point has a rolling admissions policy. Outstanding, qualified, nominated candidates will be offered admission as their records become complete. All admissions files must be complete, to include nominations, by the last workday in February.

Financial and Service Obligation

As a cadet, you are a member of the U.S. Army and receive a full scholarship and an annual salary of more than $10,000 from which you pay for your uniforms, textbooks, a laptop computer, and incidentals. There is no tuition charge, but there is a requirement for an initial deposit. Room, board, and medical and dental care are provided by the United States Government.

32 posted on 11/06/2015 10:18:15 PM PST by celmak (GO TED CRUZ !!!)
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To: Sir Napsalot; All



Dr. Ben Carson ... QUIT PLAYING EGO GAMES ... and ACT like you're "Presidential Material".



Under "normal" circumstances with "decent" people and a "moral news media" Congress and the Senate would be filled with 535 "Dr. Ben Carson" types.

That would be a good thing.

But that's not reality.



Dr. Ben Carson (once he accomplished his first surgeries) has been "coddled" ... for both his accomplishments and because he's black ... sorry, that's the TRUTH ...

so Dr. Ben Carson has been wandering around saying whatever he wants, whatever comes into his mind, "whatever" ...

and that is NOT how a 2016 U.S. Presidential Campaign is successfully operated.

Period.



This whole "Mannatech, Westpoint and Pyramids" sequence should be a DAMNED wake-up call for what I suspect is an arrogant (I'm the smartest guy in the room) Dr. Ben Carson.

Being U.S. President is NOT about a person's ego ...

Rather, it's like being a U.S. Marine Sniper at Falujia ... where EVERY shot MUST be a "kill" ...

or your buddies DIE.


Dr. Ben Carson ... QUIT PLAYING EGO GAMES ... and ACT like you're "Presidential Material".


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33 posted on 11/07/2015 5:11:08 AM PST by Patton@Bastogne
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To: Patton@Bastogne

I won’t hide that I have reservations about both Trump and Carson. Heck! I’m not committed to Cruz yet.

I just want Dr. Carson to dig deep down inside him, why he thinks (especially) at this point of history, he can fight the domestic enemy we face being the potus, more effectively than those other candidates. Because in my opinion, our domestic enemy is a much more dire threat than foreign origin.

Same goes for Trump, but we know more about his stated motives. It is just a calculation of taking both the good and the lump to see the sum and which end comes up.


34 posted on 11/07/2015 6:17:39 AM PST by Sir Napsalot (Pravda + Useful Idiots = CCCP; JournOList + Useful Idiots = DopeyChangey!)
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To: Sir Napsalot

We have the great luxury of possibly being rid of Yeb Bush .... We must not chose a GOP nominee because they’re great SNL hosts, wear Texas boots, look like Ricky Ricardo, or piously mumble in debates as a semi-inept Christian .... We need a Stonewall Jackson, Sherman or Patton to politically destroy Hillary Clinton ... Dr. Ben Carson will NEVER be that candidate, and “everyone” knows he is a amnesty loving black version of Mike Huckabee, who if he were not black, would be fishing with Rick Perry and Scott Walker today ....


35 posted on 11/07/2015 6:27:54 AM PST by Patton@Bastogne
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To: 2ndDivisionVet; Abundy; Albion Wilde; AlwaysFree; AnnaSASsyFR; bayliving; BFM; Bigg Red; ...

Wasn’t the story about Carson lying about West Point proven to be a lie?

Maryland “Freak State” PING!


36 posted on 12/14/2015 12:56:23 PM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Terrorism, the thing that shall not be named by the MSM)
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