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1 posted on 08/01/2015 5:34:40 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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I just don’t see it.

Cruz is already charm and personality-challenged as it is, and after Trump I think that’ll be all the more glaring.


2 posted on 08/01/2015 5:36:48 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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-I like that scenario—but the cynic in me says that the Repub establishment and Jeb go all out with appeal to “moderate” Democraps after Hillary implodes , as the “centrist, reasonable” candidate and the Washington establishment gets permanency——


5 posted on 08/01/2015 5:39:25 AM PDT by rellimpank (--don't believe anything the media or government says about firearms or explosives--)
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I do not see Trump doing anything less than he is doing now.
We have a few days till the first debates, which might give us a better view of both Mssrs. Trump and Cruz.

I would not doubt that there is an undercurrent of those who would wish to see a Trump/Cruz ticket, although i cannot see which alpha male would settle for the VP slot.


7 posted on 08/01/2015 5:39:54 AM PDT by Terry L Smith
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I call this wishful thinking at best, grasping at straws is more like it. Trump is clearly in this for the long haul, Cruz has sunk to the bottom. Guess if he plays nicely he might get a role in Trump administration. Personally, I would prefer to see Cruz replace McConnell.


9 posted on 08/01/2015 5:41:50 AM PDT by Reno89519 (American Lives Matter! US Citizen, Veteran, Conservative, Republican. I vote. Trump 2016.)
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The only reason Trump entered in the first place, he explains, was to set the tone of the dialog

Curious me asks, when was this stated by DT ?

19 posted on 08/01/2015 5:51:47 AM PDT by onona (If I agree with something Donald says in a forest, and no one hears, am I still a "Trumper" ?)
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I only if this were the case. I’d love to see Cruz as our next president!


26 posted on 08/01/2015 5:56:23 AM PDT by rochester_veteran (All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.)
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What are these supposed “qualifications” for President I keep hearing mentioned? Last I saw you had to be 35 and a natural born citizen. That’s it. When did a college degree or years of being a party hack or a wonk get added in?

The biggest laugh is “experience in govt”. Look what that’s gotten us. What we need is someone with experience in “rooting out corruption and firing vast numbers of lazy moochers.”


29 posted on 08/01/2015 5:57:54 AM PDT by Seruzawa (All those memories will be lost,in time, like tears in rain.)
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The next Republican president, if there ever is one, needs not only to win the election, but needs a mandate.

For this, he needs several million Obama voters to vote for him.

In 1976, Gerald Ford got 39 million votes to Jimmy Carter’s 40 million. In 1980, Ronald Reagan got 43 million votes to Jimmy Carter’s 35 million.

Ronald Reagan would not have been elected without Democrats who voted for Jimmy Carter in 1976.

Senator Cruz is the perfect conservative candidate for President - assuming that losing with the perfect candidate is fine with you. He has zero crossover appeal, which is what he needs to win, and if Elizabeth Warren is the opponent (a certainty, IMO), his wife’s role at Goldman Sachs is going to be a boat anchor.

People around here constantly make the assumption that November 2016 voters are locked in, right now, to how they are going to vote based on what they did in 2012. If this is true, then we should save the money on polls and campaigns, stop having conventions, let the States appoint their electors, and send them the July 2015 poll results right before they vote.

I live in a little town in rural America. Our Democrats have about 15% communists and pointy-headed liberals, 50% farmers, and 35% displaced or threatened production workers. Of the latter two groups, support for Trump based on signs and personal contacts is about 50%.

Just as Republican voters are more conservative than Republican “leaders”, so are many Democratic voters. There are Democrats who would die before they voted for Cruz who will vote for Trump (or Palin).


31 posted on 08/01/2015 5:59:41 AM PDT by Jim Noble (Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain)
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" ... his lack of qualifications to be the next president"

That would be the Constitution that defines the qualifications.

The rest is just personal judgement, ability and integrity and a large cadre of policy experts who share the same personal judgement, ability and integrity.

That's what Reagan's administration was like, and likely Trump will mirror that if elected.

37 posted on 08/01/2015 6:03:48 AM PDT by Fhios (I hope Trump can keep us entertained for the next 6 months.)
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Trump may be setting up party for Cruz

This has been my hope since the last Trump/Cruz meeting. Let's see what happens.
40 posted on 08/01/2015 6:08:06 AM PDT by Resettozero
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The only possible way i would vote for Trump is if he continued to absolutely crush the competition and his VP pick, and his cabinet appointees, were solid conservatives or at least they have actual lifetime backgrounds in the private sector (reality).

I will not vote for a Jeb. And i will take anyone over a Hillary.

PS if Trump bombs out the last month of this election cycle then we will know we have been duped yet again.


41 posted on 08/01/2015 6:08:16 AM PDT by Leep (Still living in what remains of 'God's Country'.)
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Can you imagine if we had a candidate of Trump’s charisma, and Cruz’ intelligence, and debating skills?... This thing would already be over with


45 posted on 08/01/2015 6:10:23 AM PDT by catfish1957 (I display the Confederate Battle Flag with pride in honor of my brave ancestors who fought w/ valor)
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Trump is in this thing to win it. His oversized ego would never allow him to be a stalking horse for anybody. Trump has been thinking of running for president since 1987. I believe this has always been his long term goal. A crowning achievement of the "Trump" empire. He would never allow himself to be used as a tool.

Look at Trump's campaign organization. He's got some serious players in the campaign, people who would not sign on if this was just a lark. This is not a clown operation. Already, every county in New Hampshire has an org chart.

I also think Trump has a teflon coating. He seems innoculated against the kind of gaffes that would cripple any other campaign. It's almost like people expect him to be outrageous and over-the-top. That's just Trump being Trump.

The conventional media have not figured out how to handle him. Those who aren't old enough to remember Reagan (most of them) have never seen anything like this before.

52 posted on 08/01/2015 6:20:13 AM PDT by SamAdams76
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Fun speculation but totally inaccurate.

Donald Trump is running for President because he believes he can make a big difference and turn the country around. I agree that he has the best chance for success. Donald Trump is not a stalking horse for anybody of either party.


54 posted on 08/01/2015 6:21:32 AM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose o f a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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No, no, no...Trump is setting it up for Pataki.

Everyone knows that.

55 posted on 08/01/2015 6:22:07 AM PDT by RoosterRedux
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Look, I want Ted Cruz to win but I do agree he lacks charisma. Trump has spent 30 years cultivating himself as a media figure, a pop culture star. He is attracting low information voters (LIVs) who have seen him regularly on TV and watched him hobnob with the rich and famous. What he says, to the LIVs, is less important than who he is - a guy who got to play “boss” to a ton of other celebs who may have the IQ of cockroaches (cough, Dennis Rodman, cough) but whom the pop culture identifies with.

Ted Cruz is the opposite of this. Cruz is all-serious, all-the-time. He’s a man of great intellect, great debate skills and the charm of an undertaker. What he says is everything. He’s spot-on with most of it to our conservative ears and he’s fiercely brave to attack the pols in both parties and tell it like it is but that doesn’t play well with the “cool” crowd as much as hanging with rappers and reality stars.

If Trump bows out, the LIVs will gravitate back to whomever the MSM tells them is “cool”, which is Hillary. For now, they’re hitched to Trump because he’s the anti-president and he’s stirring the pot. The less Trump talks about policy, the better he’ll be received by the LIVs.


57 posted on 08/01/2015 6:24:16 AM PDT by OrangeHoof (SECEDE TEXAS!! If not now, when?)
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Good


61 posted on 08/01/2015 6:32:44 AM PDT by broken_arrow1 (I regret that I have but one life to give for my country - Nathan Hale "Patriot")
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If “the Donald” really wanted to be president, he would run as a democrat. The field is wide open. He could wipe the floor against Hillary and be guaranteed 47% of the electorate - another 5-8% low information “independent” and hello president Trump. Surely he has the political instincts to see that. Oprah has the same opportunity if she wants it. (It would be sweet to see Oprah say “Hillary, you are a liar” and then the audience cheers wildly).

I really don’t understand he run as a republican. He has never shown any strong conservative leanings -


66 posted on 08/01/2015 6:40:35 AM PDT by screpublican62 (why elect a senator to reach across the aisle when you can elect one that is already there)
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Sorry, but I can’t get past feeling Trump is a Democratic plant. His role is to discredit the Republican Party as hateful, extreme, reckless, etc. Whether it is to assure Jeb is the nominee, thereby losing to Hillary, or just simply split the Republican vote a la Perot and deliver the head kleptocrat position to Hillary directly. I hope I’m wrong, but I see nothing on the horizon to suggest it yet.


67 posted on 08/01/2015 6:41:28 AM PDT by Wheelman81
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The only reason Trump entered in the first place, he explains, was to set the tone of the dialog. He recommends his followers get behind Sen. Ted Cruz.

...

Or Trump runs third party and clears the way for the Clintons.


71 posted on 08/01/2015 6:47:41 AM PDT by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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