Missouri Cherokee Tribes proclaim Jewish Heritage

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Missouri Cherokee Tribes proclaim Jewish Heritage

by Staff
February 7, 2003

The Northern Cherokee Nation of the Old Louisiana Territory has recently shocked the world by claiming their ancient Oral legends tell of a Cherokee migration made to America from the area known as Masada.

This startling evidence is being offered to the public by Beverly Baker Northup whom is the spokesperson for their organization. The evidence offered in support of this connection to Cherokees escaping the mountain fortress of Masada is based in part of what Northup claims is stories passed down from elders and the similarity between ancient words.

Beverly Baker Northup believes there is a connection between these two peoples based on evidence of Jews of the region around Masada during Roman times wearing braided hair and the similarities that the spokesperson attributes to Hebrew language.

In explaining this connection Beverly Baker Northup is quoted as saying:

"The story has been kept alive among our Cherokee people that the Sicarii who escaped from Masada, are some of our ancestors who managed to cross the water to this land, and later became known as Cherokees. (Please note the phonetic resemblance of Si'cari'i and, Cherokee or Tsa'ra-gi'.)"

Northup claims that the famous scholar Josephus wrote that there were escapees from Masada in which the spokesperson for the Northern Cherokee states that this is evidence that gives credence to this connection between the Cherokee Indians and the Jews.

In addition to other startling claims, there is also the belief by the Northern Cherokee that a rock that was uncovered in Tennessee in 1889 that is named the Bat Creek Stone, proves a transatlantic connection to Jews.

Northup believes that the scratched writings on the rock indicate that the stone is evidence of a first century Atlantic Crossing to America by these escaped Jews that later became known as the Northern Cherokee Indians.

The Northern Cherokee attempted to gain full legislative recognition in the State of Missouri in 1985 that was eventually vetoed by Governor John Ashcroft. Governor Ashcroft made the following statement concerning his decision to veto the recognition of the Northern Cherokee:

"The Federal Government has traditionally exercised authority with respect to Indian Affairs. I am not persuaded that the state has such a substantial interest in this area that it should become involved in the recognition of Indian tribes."

Sources among some federally recognized Indian Tribes have stated that Mr. Ashcroft's comments were 100% correct and should be referred to from time to time.

[ApesForEvolution]

WELL said! How are you my old friend??

[Antoninus]

A quick google search turns up some info that casts serious doubt on the provenance of this artifact:

The Bat Creek Stone

A very interesting read!

[Antoninus]

My understanding is that the linguistic confirmations have been fairly extensive.

Speaking as someone who works in the field, "extensive" is hardly the term I'd use to describe the linguistic links. "Absurdly speculative" would probably be better.

[Grig]

"If this story of the Cherokee connection to Masada is true, it does not validate Joseph Smith, it repudiates him. "

Bad logic. If the Cherokee claim is true, it does show that the migration claimed in the BoM was possible, and as the BoM claim, not unique either.

The BoM is a very brief record of over 1000 years of history, and even so it records that other groups were in the americas before them, and some groups arrived after as well. The Cherokee claim, if true, doesn't give direct proof of anything in the BoM, but it certainly disproves nothing in the BoM either and harmonizes extreemly well with what is in the BoM.

Other evidences that support the BoM can be found at
http://www.fairlds.org/apol/ai024.html

[ApesForEvolution]

Mormon isn't a Christian faith. Different Jesus for starters. Both can't be true, and I've studied the Mormon cult at length with an open mind (and a discerning Spirit). Good people but sorely deceived. The add on Book of Mormon contradicts the Old and New Testaments all over the place.. But, no point trying to persuade you. Only the Holy Ghost can do that.

[Antoninus]

One wonders if the Cherokee suffer from Tay-Sachs disease....?

[Grig]

"Mormon isn't a Christian faith."

from dictionary.com
Chris·tian ( P ) Pronunciation Key (krschn)
adj.
- Professing belief in Jesus as Christ or following the religion based on the life and teachings of Jesus.
- Relating to or derived from Jesus or Jesus's teachings.

The Living Christ
The Testimony of the Apostles
The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints
http://library.lds.org/nxt/gateway.dll/Magazines/Ensign/2000.htm/ensign%20april%202000.htm/the%20living%20christ%20the%20testimony%20of%20the%20apostles%20the%20church%20of%20jesus%20christ%20of%20latterday%20saints.htm?f=templates&fn=document-frame.htm&2.0

Mormonism certainly is a Christian religion. It is NOT an orthodox christian religion (we belive that orthodox christianity has strayed from the gospel taught by Christ) but it a religion based on the life and teachings of Jesus and derived from Jesus's teachings. Our understanding of what those teachings are etc. are not exactly the same, but that doesn't mean we are not christians.

Even though we disgree with the orthodox faiths on a number of points, we still recognize that their intention is to follow Christ and we hail them as fellow-christians just the same.

"The add on Book of Mormon contradicts the Old and New Testaments all over the place."

LDS theology is consistant. One purpose of the BoM is to contridict FALSE interpretations of the Bible, there is no conflict between the BoM and the Bible from the LDS POV.

[Antoninus]

and let's not forget about this guy...


The Pedro Mountains Mummy

[ApesForEvolution]

Different Jesus in BoM versus the Holy Scriptures. Both can't be the truth. You can quote lds garbage all you want, but when the rubber hits the road, you are not following the Son of God. Mormon isn't Christian, it's cult.

[MarkL]

Hey, I'm Jewish!!!! Does this mean I can open a casino?

Mark

[WFTR]

Do you know anything about the Heavener, OK., Viking Ruinstones?

No, I don't know anything about them. I've been to Spiro Mounds State Park near Heavener, but I don't remember anything about Viking artifacts. Spiro Mounds had displays of American Indian artifacts and a trail past some mounds. I don't remember any claim about Vikings. Can you fill me in?

The Melungeons: Appalachian Mystery
Bill

[Ruy Dias de Bivar]

"We're not directly doomed because Adam transgressed. We're doomed when our inherited sinful
nature is knowingly and willfully expressed by our actions."

***Then you agree with us on that, wonderful. Sadly it is very common for orthodox christian faiths to
teach otherwise.***


Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:...
..Nevertheless, death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that has not sinned after the similtude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that is to come. Romans 5: 12-14.
For by one man's offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesuc Christ.

[WFTR]

The closest anyone has come is the genetic link between the mysterious Melungeons of Appalachia and Mediterranean peoples. But there's no indication that they're Jewish--probably Portuguese.

The Melungeons likely have a Portuguese connection, but they also likely have other connections as well. One point that must be remembered is that "Portuguese" is not a description of a homogenous people. The Iberian penninsula was home to many different groups of people at the time that the Portuguese became active in exploration. Another point is that Melungeons have many of the same diseases as Semitic peoples. DNA testing has shown Middle Eastern genes in their background.

The Melungeons: Appalachian Mystery
Bill

[Quix]

The Palmyra sp? New York court records are evidently quite clear on what--3 or 4 different convictions for defrauding farmers?

Walter Martin--I think also a descendant of B Young or J Smith, I forget which--researched such things exhaustively. His research skills and integrity stand as models.

Another famous couple who left the church having had to fact far tooooo much uncomfortable truth to any more pretend there was anything valid to believe also has done extensive research on such things. Wish I could think of their names. Guess I'll have to go to Google when I have the time.

I don't think B Young NOR J Smith have ANY grounds to stand on in terms of integrity. Their abuse of a long list of people is just far too extensive.

I standy by the walking on water story. It was not 5th hand. I talked to the son of the man who saw it happen.


Just the changes in the Book of Mormon alone--the Book they used to deny was ever changed--but went through AT LEAST 5 revisions--just those changes alone are enough to call foul about.

[Quix]

You must be right. I'm not the expert and it's been many months since I read the stuff. I'll try and look it up again next week.

[Paleo Conservative]

[Elsie]

Hello Friend,

My name is Longee Barba. I am an official in the Bank of Masada and here in my country, we have a problem.

It seems that a famous person has died and no heirs have been found from his esteemed lineage leaving us in a quandry as to disposal of his immense fortune.

Your name has been selected, from a large grouping of.................

[Quix]

cute

[genefromjersey]

My, we are sensitive, and my, we are lashing out !
Looks like " victimology " at work.

Well, since you have seen fit to trash my ancestry, and my "defective genes" -

( Gee ! Where did I hear that one before ? Oh, yeah ! When I was a kid, they had this little club in Germany, called the Waffen SS ,which used the same rhetoric as "justification" for the murder of millions. Some of my defective relatives-" Bog Trotters" all- went over to visit them, and to lay down their lives putting them out of business ) -

I can't quite figure out whether you are arrogant, ignorant, or a combination of both.

Whatever.

[Wrigley]

A TBM arrives.

Let the spin commence.