Posted on 10/06/2002 7:48:41 AM PDT by SheLion
Edited on 07/14/2004 12:59:06 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]
Most people cringe at the sight of a pregnant woman smoking. Some people feel strongly enough to say something in protest. But one local man took matters into his own hands early Friday when, according to police, he shot an expectant mother who refused to put out her cigarette.
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Yeah it probably was the CDC. What are some better sources? and what are their numbers? The CDC says 1995-1999, smoking caused approximately 440,000 premature deaths in the United States annually and approximately $157 billion in annual health-related economic losses. What are your numbers and your sources?
Also, are you trying to tell me that filling your lungs with smoke and tar and nicotine is good for them? Furhtermore, please tell me why do so many smokers cough and wheeze and cant run as fast or as far or as long or uphill as non-smokers?
Why then, as a libertarian who does not condone the initiation of violence against anyone, have you not condemned the actions of this person?
Your party affiliation means nothing to me- I condone no violence towards anyone unless I am personally attacked and I'm a Republican.
No, you are wrong....
I quit smoking when I was pregnant with my first child and guess what...? He developed childhood asthma and allergies (it seems he is improving now, thank goodness). The next time I became pregnant was with my twins and the doctor told me NOT to quit smoking but that I could cut down IF I wanted to. He said the most important thing was not to cause my body to be OVERSTRESSED because that stress could lead to losing the babies or make the babies very colicky and unhappy when they were born. Well my twins don't have asthma or allergies, they were not colicky and they were born healthy. So, in conclusion, I do not agree with your theory and in my reality, I had the exact opposite experience....go figure.
Like I said, the CDC bases their numbers on estimates from a computer program. They classify the death of ANYONE that has EVER smoked as a smoking related death. Whether that person was 70, 80, 90 years of age or over or whether that person was 25 years of age..
I don't have any numbers because you won't find a death certificate with the cause of death as "smoking".
Also, are you trying to tell me that filling your lungs with smoke and tar and nicotine is good for them? Furhtermore, please tell me why do so many smokers cough and wheeze and cant run as fast or as far or as long or uphill as non-smokers?
Don't put words in my mouth. In your opinion, are there other things that are legal that are as bad as smoking? Is there another vice/habit that provides money AGAINST itself by order of the government?
I'm sure that there are many things that are better for you than smoking. It has been proven that smoking can be a risk factor for certain health related problems. Environmental Tobacco Smoke hasn't been proven to harm ANYONE that doesn't have a pre-existing medical condition. Even as hard as they have tried.
As for smokers not being able to physically keep up with non-smokers - I know smokers that run half, and full, marathons. Not all, probably not many.
It's just like anything else, some are couch potatos and some are not.
Every one?
Your proof of this statement is..........?
You are quick with your smart aleck comments and anti-woman remarks, yet I have seen nothing to back up any of your statements.
Actually, the abortionists get shot up. The buildings just burn or blow up. :-)
Who the hell do you think stayed here and made the bullets and took care of the babies and everything else? You can take your self-righteous b.s. and can it, mister. Kiss my grits....
Please list the states that currently use the phrase.
I see nothing in your posts, unless you have done some of the things you have posited, that indicates you WANT to share in the reponsibilities of being an American.
A little off topic, are we.
All you have to do, is stay away from us, trust me no one here would deliberately go near you.
Thats better. :-}
That may be true, but it's not necessarily accurate. The most important "anecdotal evidence" is the number of baby boomers right now who are healthy and living the longest lives in history, although virtually the entire population grew up around smoke and smokers. Every risk should be weighed, but put in perspective.
Is there any level of "risk" below which you would feel "safe"? Is there any level below which you'd consider a "study" finding to be invalid?
I think we've got credible evidence that smoking while pregnant is a significant risk factor for the health of the unborn.
No, the "evidence" is not significant nor is it credible.
I don't think that advising you to not smoke for those nine months is too much. Many responses I've seen to that here seemed to be based on an incomplete understanding of statistics or an argument that you can do whatever you want with your body.
"Advising" someone to do anything one considers important is not "too much," but this drive to demonize, ostracize and criminalize smokers won't end there. I understand statistics very well, and whether or not you "can do whatever you want with your body," it certainly is not the business of special interest groups to tell me what I can and can not do, particularly when that particular witch hunt is based on shoddy science and propaganda.
Say it again, Max.
You have a way of cutting to the chase.
The anger was not justified, the smoking issue, was none of his darn business.
And do tell where did you get all your info, hate to tell you this......... it's nothing but scare tactics, and it seem to be working on uninformed people.
I disagree with this statement of yours - you have been mean and down right demeaning at times. You have also been extremely rabid with many of your comments.
I could probably find where you have been mean and not nice and very rabid in your attacks on smokers, but I'm not going to take the time.
You and I have butted heads too many times for me to have to prove to you the wrongness of your comment.
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