Posted on 03/13/2002 2:47:41 PM PST by Michael2001
Well I'm mad and I'm angry, and maybe that's why I can't think of an appropriate response. While all of us were prasing him for how he was dealing with the war on terror, Bush passes this Amnesty Bill, something that not even the sneaky Bill Clinton would do. This is one of the worse Bills to pass through Congress, it will hurt us in many ways, and ten years from now we will still be feeling it's effects.
Bush has, without a doubt in my mind, sold us out for the Hispanic vote. He sold us out because he can take our vote for granted (who will we vote for Al Gore?). Is he wrong? What do we do when the Republicans stop looking out for our interests? Is it time for a new party, or do we work within the party and try to root out the Republicans In Name Only (of which there are many)?
And as a libertarian I beleive that ideally peacefull and productive people should be able to travel freely across borders.
But at the same time I think we hurt the rule of law with this sort of thing, though this is hardly unique in that regard. It certainly doesn't harm the law as much prohibition does for example.
Ultimately this was a brilliant political move by the President as he will secure many hispanic votes far outweighing that of the handfull of Republicans who will take a principled stand.
Don't we all? Today I wrote my Representative and thanked him for voting against the bill, regardless of the fact that it passed. I cc'd the "Thank You" by fax to my Senators and the White House, so they could all see who I was thanking, and why. The game ain't over until we decide to stop playing.
You only come around here preaching unlimited immigration and rights for immigrants including illegals.
Wrong. I've never said unlimited. And yes, I believe immigrants should have rights.
And no, I am neither socialist, Mexican or a stooge.
While not the biggest on my list, it's right up there. It was pure lunacy to think that that would be the end of the matter.
First the Democrats are all but useless in opposing the Republicans in today's political climate, and second of all the stands they take are obvioulsy not pro-liberty but the contrary. So the situation remains where there is no one willing and able to make that stand.
This is where the two party system is a huge failure.
But isn't helping to cover up MURDER and TREASON by democRATS (and that is EXACTLY what he is doing by not investigating the many crimes) turning him into a criminal TOO? He took an OATH to uphold the law. Is he becoming an oath breaker? Is this the first step in becoming like Clinton?
You suggested that the reason he isn't going after the democRATS is because the information in the FBI files the democRATS took is so damaging it would destroy the Republican party. If that is true, and Bush is as honest as you want us to believe, why would he want those people in the Republican party anyway? You can't have it both ways. He should go after the democRATS and let the criminal republicans be exposed. It would be good for BOTH parties and the country. Ignoring MURDER by elected officials is NOT. It is the road to tyranny.
And that the only way to do that is to: [1] hold on to the House and to regain the Senate and;
Wrong. We ALREADY saw what happens when the Republicans control BOTH the House and the Senate. NOTHING. NOTHING AT ALL. ALL that matters ... and the democRATS learned this lesson ... is who controls the Executive Branch. Congress is POWERLESS to stop or clean up criminal activity by the Executive branch, especially with a compliant media. We saw that to be true for 8 long years. Winning back the Senate won't make one bit of difference when it comes to cleaning out the CRIMINALS that now infest our government and, apparently, BOTH parties.
The ONLY way to do it is to use the law enforcement bodies of the Executive Branch and the DOJ to INVESTIGATE and PROSECUTE those criminals. Neither Congress or the media can stop that from happening if Bush wants it to happen. And the public will base their decision about who deserves to be in power on the outcome of those investigations. As it now stands, the GOP risks loosing a large part of its base because its base is starting to wonder whether when it comes to upholding the law the GOP is any different than the democRAT party.
Or we can follow Canada's example and so split the Conservative Movement as to ensure the total and permenant domination of every aspect of American life by the vast criminal enterprises of which the Rotten-KKKli'toons were momentarily the frontspiece.
Surely you are not suggesting that a large portion of the conservative movement wants the GOP to ignore crimes like murder and treason, just to stay in power. That doesn't sound like a "conservative movement". Surely you are not suggesting that a large fraction of the Republican voters want republicans to act just like democrats?
I tell you what. Why not ASK registered Republicans if they want their leadership to ignore serious crimes by democRATS on the PERHAPS mistaken belief that doing so will help them remain in power longer? The RNC could do that if they wanted to. I bet most would support my point of view.
As far as I'm concerned our 2-headed-one-party-system is a foreign power that has taken hold of our country, though it is alien to our Constitution. There is more than enough proof that the Constitution is largely ignored by our lords and masters in their ceaseless quest to accumulate and centralize power among themselves.
What deaf, dumb, and blind poison drinkers for Bush and the Republican political establishment always, always, always, always, always forget is that in an attempt to please, appease, and quell Democrats, liberals, and the biased media by offering up OUR values and agenda for sacrifice for potential support they hope they might get from the other side through continual concessions, is utterly and completely dwarfed by the support they will always lose from those who have put them in office and made their political careers possible in the first place!
I will not be a grunt in the army of a political version of the Vietnam War, ESPECIALLY when we conservatives have taken inumerable abuses and neglect from our own "leaders" just to get to the point in which we could FINALLY have a chance to turn this nightmare around only to be told to drop our arms and retreat, surrender political ground, and suffer incredible demoralization AGAIN.
The whole thing that is being missed here is that concessions and offers of compromise are done as a last means of winning support to your side, your viewpoints, and your agenda, NOT a first means of transforming your party into theirs so as to obviate their arguments. If the Republicans simply prevented the success and implementation of liberal items and agendas without proposing new and sweeping changes, that would still be a much better and more preferable outcome than becoming the enemy. That's what George Bush Sr. did and it cost him a re-election.
For the sake of a dedicated, conscientious, and morally resolute LEADER, I would march into the mouths of cannon or the flames of Hell itself. For a politician, I wouldn't slake his dying thirst with the sweat trickling down the crack of my ass.
I am reporting that a large FRaction of Republicans act just like "Democrats" -- because that is what they are -- or like "libertarians" which, sadly, is effectively the same thing.
And I am suggesting that the way you are promoting as the only way to rid the Repubican Party of "DemocRATs" and other RINOs -- and to set it apart FRom the "DemocRATs" -- will throw out the baby with the bath water and will deliver US into the hands of the totalitarians.
For ever.
Are you a DNC plant?
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