human being at seven weeks (abortion pro-life)

priestsforlife ^ | 2001 | Professor Andrzej Skawina,Dr. Antoni Marsinek, MD Zrodlo Foundation

[miltonim]

Photo of seven week old human being

[Exnihilo]

Is it any surprise that those who base their worldview on silly superstitions are nuts?

Your first step would be to drop the pseudo-intellectual snobbery and attempt to show that God is a 'silly superstition'. Empty, table pounding rhetoric doesn't convince anyone.

[Exnihilo]

I was sure I am rabidly pro-life.

Why? Can you explain to me, in terms of your beliefs, why life has any more value than say, a rock? Are they both not the result of the same mindless process? Sure, you can shout assertions that life has value all day long, but if you have no foundation for doing so other than your personal whim, your shouting won't mean much to anyone with critical thinking skills.

[Lizavetta]

Why? Can you explain to me, in terms of your beliefs, why life has any more value than say, a rock? Are they both not the result of the same mindless process? Sure, you can shout assertions that life has value all day long, but if you have no foundation for doing so other than your personal whim, your shouting won't mean much to anyone with critical thinking skills.

If Exnihilo says something and there's no one around to hear him, is he still a nozzle?

[MHGinTN]

We are an individual human being in the body first at conception and remain an individual human being in the body until death, artificially or naturally arrived at along the continuum that is an individual human lifetime in the body begun at conception. Every living human's lifetime began at conception; we're serial killing 1.4 million individuals per year in America, at current rates ... the Nazis would be envious!

[Exnihilo]

< ba-doom-ching! > [the crowd groans at the feeble attempt at humor]

[Exnihilo]

I agree. But, the only rational pro-life philosophy is one rooted in the assumption that God created life, specifically human beings, intentionally. If there is no God, if life is no more intended than a rock or a grain of sand, then those who lack belief in God and still proclaim the value of life do so with absolutely no rational foundation for doing so, other than their own personal whim, which carries very little weight.

[patent]

>>>[the crowd groans at the feeble attempt at humor]

I laughed.

[SpookBrat]

It's a beautiful photo. I'm going to go love on my kids now.

[SpookBrat]

"As a former fetus, I can assure you it's a human being"

Coca Cola came out of my nose. LOL I'm writing this one down. Thanks for the laugh!

[SpookBrat]

God bless you and your wife. I'm sad to hear of your news. :( Take care and love her through it.

[Brad’s Gramma]

Goodness! Such a picture! I'm going to save that one to the hd...heck, I think I'm going to make a whole folder of baby pictures. Thanks for the thread, miltonim.

[toenail]

"Is it any surprise that those who lack belief in God are "pro-choice"? How can you claim that life has any intrensic value if you believe that life is the result of a random series of events? It's no surprise to me. The Godless people are the most evil, repugnant people on the planet. Their philosophy is hideous and sophomoric."

Let me point out that we pro-life atheists and agnostics hold no hopes that any baby killed by an abortionist gets transported into a land of harps and golden streets. Everything those babies have is snuffed out irretrievably. While it may assuage the guilt of some Christians (my mother-in-law, for instance) to counter every setback and violation of human rights with an "At least they're in heaven now," it does nothing to help. Forget atheists, and find another bogeyman. I suggest starting with your local churches and their reluctance to speak out.

[montag813]

I have to tell you, I used to take these photos much more lightly. Today when I see these pictures, now that I have an infant son, I lose it. First I cry at the thought of so many innocent unborn violently torn from the once safe confines of their mother's womb. Then I am angry at the men and especially women who fight so hard to make sure that women have the unfettered permission from society to kill these beautiful babies. Terry McAulliffe, Barbara Boxer, Ted Kennedy, Hillary Clinton, Carolyn Maloney, Paul Wellstone, et al. They really do represent the focus of evil in our nation.

[Exnihilo]

Upon what basis do you claim that life has more value than a rock, when both are the result of the same mindless process? Just because you say so?

[Exnihilo]

If you are an example of a "Godly" person, then I thank God that I ain't one.

I wouldn't call myself "Godly", nor did I. I'm simply a theist, and recognize the patent absurdity of being an atheist and making the claim that life has some intrensic value beyond that of a rock, when both, according to the atheist, are the result of the same mindless process that did not have them in mind and cares nothing for them.

[VOYAGER]

Sorry...but I don't see the human in it yet. IT looks like a tadpole to me!

As a young boy back in the days when you could wander all over the New Mexico open land space learning about nature, without the aggravation of some environmentalist wacko putting in his unwanted claptrap, I saw all kinds of nature's miracle of plant and animal development from prebirth to natural or untimely death.

As I remember the most prolific of these miracles was the frog from tadpole to adult and I never saw a tadpole that resembled a developing human baby in any way, at any stage of development of either.

The above italicised heading statement surely means you are a'funnin' us.

[toenail]

"Upon what basis do you claim that life has more value than a rock, when both are the result of the same mindless process? Just because you say so?"

You're arguing with people you don't need to argue with. One of the greatest obstacles to protecting human lives is the bulk of Christian churches who refuse to stand up for the lives of the preborn. You'd do more good by asking them why they're spending their time on remodeling the sanctuary or putting in a basketball court than speaking up for human dignity.

[homeschool mama]

Check this out ;o)

[Exnihilo]

In other words, you have no real reason for claiming that life has intrinsic value. The *only* rational foundation such a view can be founded upon is that which says that God created life, and human beings in particular. Even the founders agree with me, when they say:

"We hold these truths to be self-evident: that all men are created equal; that they are endowed by their Creator with certain inalienable rights; that among these are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness"

I personally don't give a rat's ass if you believe in God or not, but at least have the guts to follow your philosophy to its logical end: Life is no more valuable than a rock; that both are the result of a mindless process that did not have them in mind, and cares nothing for them; As a result of this philosophy, there can be no objective reason for claiming that abortion is "wrong" in any shape, form, or fashion.