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To: Exnihilo
"Upon what basis do you claim that life has more value than a rock, when both are the result of the same mindless process? Just because you say so?"

You're arguing with people you don't need to argue with. One of the greatest obstacles to protecting human lives is the bulk of Christian churches who refuse to stand up for the lives of the preborn. You'd do more good by asking them why they're spending their time on remodeling the sanctuary or putting in a basketball court than speaking up for human dignity.

58 posted on 01/26/2002 9:30:47 AM PST by toenail
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To: toenail
In other words, you have no real reason for claiming that life has intrinsic value. The *only* rational foundation such a view can be founded upon is that which says that God created life, and human beings in particular. Even the founders agree with me, when they say:

"We hold these truths to be self-evident: that all men are created equal; that they are endowed by their Creator with certain inalienable rights; that among these are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness"

I personally don't give a rat's ass if you believe in God or not, but at least have the guts to follow your philosophy to its logical end: Life is no more valuable than a rock; that both are the result of a mindless process that did not have them in mind, and cares nothing for them; As a result of this philosophy, there can be no objective reason for claiming that abortion is "wrong" in any shape, form, or fashion.
60 posted on 01/26/2002 12:51:06 PM PST by Exnihilo
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To: toenail
One of the greatest obstacles to protecting human lives is the bulk of Christian churches who refuse to stand up for the lives of the preborn

Do you have any supporting evidence for this claim, or is this your "impression" based on your limited experience?
61 posted on 01/26/2002 12:52:31 PM PST by Exnihilo
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To: toenail
One of the greatest obstacles to protecting human lives is the bulk of Christian churches who refuse to stand up for the lives of the preborn. You'd do more good by asking them why they're spending their time on remodeling the sanctuary or putting in a basketball court than speaking up for human dignity.

OUCH! That one hurt!

I never thought in a million years I would agree with an atheist, but I do agree with you somewhat on your post. Or at least I can see where you would get the idea.

I belong to an extremely conservative church and you would have to search high and low to find ONE pro choicer. I'm not exaggerating either. I don't think I've ever even met one in my 33 years of being a member of this church. However, I have never known one of them to "work" at pro-life issues. About 7 years ago I finally met two of them who worked at a crisis pregnancy center. (One of them abopted my sister's baby BTW). Granted you will hear sermons or discussions on abortion once a week, but most of them don’t do anything about it.

I shouldn't be so hard on my church (or should I?). Up until I became really active in the pro-life movement, the only religious people I knew who "worked" the issue were Catholics (putting us to shame). Now I know many more individuals from different denominations who work hard on this issue.

I hate to say it, but you could sadly be right on this. I'll have to think about what you said some more, examine my life and vocally encourage others in my church to be more active, better than I have been in the past.

I hope you won't be bitter towards Christians because of this issue. We love the Lord and all his children deeply with all our heart and soul. I will admit we should all work harder. I do disagree with you though about heaven. Millions of dead children are in heaven waiting for their mama's and daddy's, and are nice and snug in God’s lap. Hopefully mothers and fathers of dead children will come to repentance. The idea of seeing their dead children again some day is what keeps many of them going, and contributes to their change of heart. As a Christian I can honestly say, the promise of heaven is all I live for (besides my sweet husband and my two precious humans).

I have a great deal of respect for you. Thanks for all you say and do.

(PS: You won't find a basketball court at our church and our houses of worship are built extremely plain and simple on purpose).

62 posted on 01/26/2002 2:34:25 PM PST by SpookBrat
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