Posted on 12/29/2001 1:35:20 AM PST by Mudboy Slim
"FWIW...The Righteous Shall Triumph!!"
(To be sung to Buffalo Springfield's "For What It's Worth")
There's somethin' happenin' here...it ain't Right...Vile Left, they Rule by Fear!!
ATF men in a tank over there, slaughterin' kids whilst they knelt in prayer!!
It's high time we INDICT T-Mac...PUNK Dem's Clown!!
DNC Chairman...who killed Ron Brown?!!
There's bad men doin' Wrong...They'll win The Fight, unless the Right is Strong!!
Bold people must speak OUR minds...we're gettin' too much resistance from OUR side!!
It's time we ROUT Lib'rals, TRASH DemClowns!!
High time fer Justice to now Rebound!!
Clinton feels he can't be beat...Med'yuh Poltroons, they're Effete!!
Forgivin' wrongs, Press parrots Slick's LIES!! Most of them say, "Slick Willie's OUR GUY!!"
It's time we STOP DemRATS...Stop DemClowns!!
Big Guv'ment's shakin' OUR Country down!!
Rev-o-lutions start slow...but Limbaugh's Legions shall grow!!
Evil Wins when the Good are afraid!! Step outta line...the time's come fer Right to hold sway!!
We shall INDICT T-Mac...Stop Left's Clown!!
All ya good FReepers, come help us out!!
We gotta STOP Clinton...Crush Slick's Crown!!
Ev'rybody help what's goin' down!!
We're gonna STOP Lib'rals...STOP DemClowns!!
Destroy Lib'ralism...let's do it NOW!!
(12/29/2001...Happy Birthday, MamaMUD!!)
"Black I"
"Black II"
"Black III"
"Black IV"
"Black V"
It's High Time the Right INDICTED DNC Chairman Terry "Punk" McAuliffe, IMHO, of course!!
Twenty years ago, we were in a Cold War in which the Enemy of Our Enemy was Our FRiend, despite the fact that many of the folks we chose to befriend were not the most savory of characters.
"'We later paid the price when the World Trade Center was bombed, and we learned that some of those responsible had been trained by us. Now we're doing the same thing with the KLA, which is tied in with every known Middle and Far Eastern drug cartel. Interpol, Europol, and nearly every European intelligence and counter-narcotics agency has files open on drug syndicates that lead right to the KLA, and right to Albanian gangs in this country.'...."
In contrast, since the Fall of the Soviet Union, we now have--and have had for the last 9-10 years--the opportunity to choose our allies based on what's Right, yet the Clinton Administration chose to select our allies based on who paid the largest bribes to the DemocRATic National Committee and who was in the best position to assist Der SchleekMeister personally...to Hell with the negative impact on our National Security or the World's Security. For these selfish anti-American, anti-FReedom Acts Of Treason, William Jefferson Blythe Clinton and his feckless buttsniffers in the DemonRAT Party--and those RINOs who SPINELESSLY allowed it to happen--deserve to have the Book thrown at them!!! IMHO, of course.
"A good method to track down the cancerous growth of the "black spot" is to look at the traffic of illegal drugs, heroin in particular. Almost all of the heroin circulating in Europe comes through the Balkans. It is mostly produced from opium cultivated in the Taliban-dominated Afghanistan and refined in Turkey. It is distributed mostly by the so-called "Kosovo mafia," whose military excrescence is known as the Kosovo Liberation Army (KLA) or the Ushtria Clirimtare e Kosoves (UCK), operating inside Serbia as the Liberation Army of Presevo, Medvedja, and Bujanovac (UCPMB), and in Macedonia as the National Liberation Army (UCK)."
Great info, Ms. Jade...I always knew the Kosovo Slaughter of Innocent Christians stunk to High Heaven, but this enables one to understand why Clinton felt it appropriate to commit Mass Murder...MONEY...Bloody Drug Money!!
"MOVE ON" my hairy white arse!!! Instead, we must...
RE-IMPEACH. CONVICT. DETHRONE.
DISBAR. DE-PENSION. DE-LEGITIMIZE.
INDICT. CONVICT. IMPRISON. DISCARD KEY.
FReegards...MUD
Yes, my FRiend, they do!! And we have it within our ability to make it happen...all we need now is to create the Will within the Ashcroft Department of Justice. And, IMHO, that Will shall be created by a huge outcry from the American Sheeple, led by FReepers dedicated to ensuring Equal Justice Fer ALL!! Crimes were committed...now the Felons must go to Jail!! What's so hard fer folks to understand--and accept--about that?!
FReegards...MUD
Thank you, Slyfox, for the following synopsis...
Lying Under Oath as President - 2 times
Lying Under Oath as Governor - 5 times
Lying Under Oath as Attorney General
Lying Under Oath in a Deposition
Lying Under Oath to a Grand Jury
Lying Under Oath as a Lawyer
Abuse of Power [countless times]
Obstruction of Justice
Deriliction of Duty
Bribe Solicitation
Taking Bribes
Bribery of Cabinent Members
Bribery of State Officials
Treason
Corruption
Coersion
Graft
False Swearing
Malfeasance of Office
Perjury
Subornation of Perjury
Criminal Trespass
Witness Intimidation
Witness Tampering
Jury Tampering
Ethics Violations
Intentional Interference in the Administration of Justice
Misrepresentation
Civil Contempt of Court
Criminal Contempt of Court
Contempt of Congress
Contempt of the American People
High Crimes
Misdemeanors
Deception
Conspiracy
False Testimony
Factually False Testimony
Misconduct
Serious Misconduct
Professional Misconduct
Notorious Misconduct
Obstruction of the Judicial Process
Recklessness
Grand Larceny
Extortion
Blackmail
Substance Abuse
Evidence Suppression
Illegal Foriegn Campaign Funding
Aiding and Abetting Espionage
Aiding and Abetting Terrorists
Aiding and Abetting Foriegn Dictators
Improper Exports of Sensitve Technology
Attempted Intimidation of Prosecutors
Destruction of Business Records with Intent to Defraud
Failure to Investigate Drug Trafficking
Real Estate Fraud
Criminalizing Frauds on Financial Institutions
Use of State Police for Personal Purposes
Illegal Loan Extraction
False Reports by Medical Examiners and Others Investigating Suspicious Deaths
Improper Futures Trading
Illegal Use of the Executive Branch
Character Defamation
Voter Fraud
Racketeering
Destruction of Evidence
Political Espionage
Money Laundering
Criminal Negligence
RICO Conspiracy
Misuse of Government Files
Desecration of Federal Ethics Laws
Judicial Intimidation
Conflict of Interests
Illegal Campaign Activity
Misuse of Corporate Assets
Ordering Politically Motivated Audits
Ordering Politically Motivated Investigations
Timing of War Influenced by Political Considerations
Misapplying Funds
Conspiracy to Defraud the Federal Government
Criminal Violation of the Privacy Act
Conspiracy to Conceal
Evisceration of the Right to Habeas Corpus
Misuse of Taxpayer Funds
Interfering with a Court Order
Theft of Government Property
Abuse of Taxpayer Financed Travel
Anti-American Espionage
Jeopardizing National Security
Aiding and Abetting Drug Traffic
Aiding and Abetting Organized Crime
Murder by Accessory by Witness Tampering
Murder by Accessory by Forgery
Solicitation to commit murder by accessory
Foreign Influence Peddling
Regular Influence Peddling
Corrupting Public Discourse
Providing False and Misleading Testimony
Interferring with a Custody Case
Kidnapping by Accessory
Child Endangerment
Sexual Harassment
Indecent Exposure
Sexual Abuse of Employees
Lewd and Lascivious Conduct
Exchange of Promotions or Benefits for Sexual Favors
Sexual Assault
Statutory Rape
Contributing to the Delinquincy of a Minor
Unfit to hold a law license
Conduct Unbecoming a President
Squandering the Public Trust
I'm sure we missed a few crimes here and there, but this is one heckuva start in listing why Der SchleekMeister must be RE-IMPEACHED, CONVICTED, DETHRONED, DISBARRED, DE-PENSIONED, DE-LEGITIMIZED, INDICTED, CONVICTED, IMPRISONED, AND NEVER ALLOWED TO BREATHE FREE FOR THE REMAINDER OF HIS LIB'RAL BASTARD-CHILD LIFE!!!
IMHO, of course...LOL!!
FReegards...MUD
In Central VA, the Ferrari dealerships stopped acceptin' marbles fer payment.
"She leaves for her office with $20 from my wallet. I'm really missing something there. ;^)"
Aint' that the way it always is?! All of HER money is HER money, while half of mine is HER money...20 bucks?! You got off easy, my FRiend!!
"...would've been *kinda* nice to see GBarnett show-up with his team's heads pulled outa their orifices, don'tcha think?"
Colorado's QB looked absolutely dreadful, didn't he? Makes me wonder how Nebraska lost so bad to them and whether Thursday night's game is gonna be worth watching. In any event, I'll be watching...LOL!!
FReegards...MUD
As one who always advocates maintaining a steadfast faith the right & proper thing(s) will be done, in the end?
All I can say to your eloquent, wisdom beyond your years statement is that, I maintain my faith & wait for these sheeple eyes to open. ~Patiently.
"...as we witness the Vast, LeftWing Med'yuh WHORE'd do everything in its Power to keep their RAT PUNK Allies in Power..."
That word reminds me of Roger Ailes & the news he's now brought Greta VanSustern {sp} into the FNC familiy-fold.
First Whorealdo, now, this monstrous hag?
Up is down, down is up, right-left...
Next thing we'll hear is that CNN will be forced into going HARD-Right by hiring every Right-wing pundit they can find. Geshhhh.
"...the Effete Elite Medyuh will be discredited even more than they already are!!"
Yea...sure enough they will, anyway.
But for the record?
I'm still at the ready, practicing my slip-knots.
~Just gimme the word, son.
"Bonoir's butt will be amongst those to feel the painful penetration of The Truth!!"
One among many of the insideous, traitorous rodent fecal matter.
"I believe Dubyuh learned the lesson of his father's failure and will not follow the Timidity Route, IMHO."
He'd better, Mudboy; because if you've been listening to Roger Hedgcock subbing for Rush, today?? (Wed)
Than you've heard the back-to-back-to-back sleezy Leftist seminar callers just as well as I have.
To those people [read: Dubya] who think the cultural/ideological war has been toned-down one nanometer...war or no war?
They're in for a very abrupt & rude awakening.
Hell's Bells...it's just begun; IF you use the viscousness of the ultra-hyper-Leftists that've managed to get on the air.
"It's time to slit the Left's throat once and fer all, thereby putting the RATS outta OUR misery!!"
Wow.
Now those are words I can understand, alright.
By God you're the first person on this forum I'd be proud to call, "Brother."
...no kiddin'.
It does take quite a bit of patience, doesn't it? The natural tendency is to want to box the Sheeple's ears when they continue to argue their inane Lib'ral drivel, but they are simply reflecting years and years of LeftWing Lies they've been fed by the Lib'ral-controlled Med'yuh, the Lib'ral-controlled Education Establishment, the Lib'ral-dominated HollyWierd Establishment, the Lib'ral LIARS in the ScienceFerHire Enviro-Whacko Establishment and the like. But the Truth shall ultimately triumph, as it has already on Talk Radio and FR.
"Roger Ailes & the news he's now brought Greta VanSustern {sp} into the FNC familiy-fold. First Whorealdo, now, this monstrous hag?"
I've soured on FoxNewsChannel quite a bit lately...I no longer wish to be spoon-fed my news by any one-way News Outlet. The Net allows me to speak my piece on those issues that I feel most strongly about...the only reason to watch the Networks--including FNC--is for the moving pictures and to find out the spin the Med'yuh is putting on events. Ailes & Murdoch's creation is better than the competition, but they are moving in the WRONG direction, IMHO.
"...the Effete Elite Medyuh will be discredited even more than they already are!!"
"But for the record? I'm still at the ready, practicing my slip-knots. ~Just gimme the word, son."
Don't let me discourage that worthwhile passion, my FRiend...but the Left is doing a fine job demonstrating how EVIL and anti-American it is!! Those who support the concept of an Evil Effete Elite Group of PowerWhores telling us lowly folks how to live our lives while ignoring the laws they hold us to...well, those folks must be our Blood Enemies because they are Blood Enemies of the Constitution and everything that made this the Greatest Country in the History of the World!!!
"I believe Dubyuh learned the lesson of his father's failure and will not follow the Timidity Route, IMHO."
"He'd better, Mudboy; because if you've been listening to Roger Hedgcock subbing for Rush, today?? (Wed)"
Yep...I'm listening and taping. I like Hedgecock but he's absolutely 100% WRONG about Federal Reparations for victims of 9/11/01!! What a horrible precedent-setter that is, IMHO.
"Then you've heard the back-to-back-to-back sleezy Leftist seminar callers just as well as I have. To those people [read: Dubya] who think the cultural/ideological war has been toned-down one nanometer...war or no war? They're in for a very abrupt & rude awakening."
I agree whole-heartedly, my wise FRiend...and if you've noticed, Rush has been subtly--but increasingly--chiding Dubyuh from the Right about being too deferential to the Vile Whims of the RATS!! He won't say it out loud, but I believe Rush knows that the Left IS Hate and Intolerance and Anti-American and anti-Liberty and anti-FReedom and anti-EqualJustice and the RATS' Lib'ralism represents and personifies EVERYTHING THAT IS WRONG WITH AMERICA!!
There can be no more compromising with this UnMitigated EVIL...The LEFT in America Must Be--and SHALL BE--DESTROYED, and the Earth over the Left's Graves salted so that nothing will ever grow there again!!! IMHO, of course...LOL!!
"It's time to slit the Left's throat once and fer all, thereby putting the RATS outta OUR misery!!"
"Wow. Now those are words I can understand, alright. By God you're the first person on this forum I'd be proud to call, "Brother.""
Kewel, older bro...somebody else on this Forum who believes that Good cannot compromise with Evil...and that the Right has no choice but to SLAUGHTER the Left!! Wonder if there are other FReepers who understand this TRUTH as well?
No kiddin', mi hermano...MUD
Well, I hereby retract my support for Hedgecock because of his asinine viewpoint regarding Federal Reparations for WTC Bombing Victims!! He has apparently become blinded to the un-Constitutionality--and propriety--of the Fed being the font of all sustenance in this World. SHEEESH...in the last half-hour a nice lady came on and made a good case for allowing the Private Sector to ante up for the Victims and his SOUL-less--and CLUE-less--response was, and I quote, "I can't believe you could arrive at this conclusion and still have a SOUL!!"
What a GUTLESS PUNK statement!!! IMHO, Rush needs to publicly apologize for that statement and for allowing this BASTARD to soil the airwaves of the EIB!! Questioning somebody's SOUL because they disagree with the Federal Guv'ment getting involved in something they should never--EVER--become involved with...sounds more like Bill Press or Jesse Jackson or the EX-Traitor-in-Chief and certainly not worthy of addressing Rush's 20+ Million listeners!!
Does anyone know how I can contact Roger Hedgecock after I finish writing my scathing email to Limbaugh at Rush@eibnet.com?!
SHEEEESH...what friggin' ARROGANCE!!
MUD
I too started developing a "want to box the Sheeple upside of the head" attitude while trying to wake them up to the potential dangers in giving away the Panama Canal a few years ago.
It was worsened when trying to point out that China buying/stealing our national security secrets could have lethal consequences for everyone, including "the children" they like to invoke in every rights-stealing crusade....
Whoa there, son; that's a fact you state there.
This ain't no time to be so damned humble. {g}
Just one LOOK at what's going on at Murdoch's other cess-pool-holdings (FOXTV/FX) will tell ya what that SOB is really up to.
Nevertheless, there're those here who seem to feel FNC walks on water -- as I'm sure you're well aware.
Point is?
We're in total agreement on the FNC; & my comment then, directed more towards those mentioned than reflecting my own tastes/beliefs/allegiance.
"I like Hedgecock but he's absolutely 100% WRONG about Federal Reparations for victims of 9/11/01!! What a horrible precedent-setter that is, IMHO."
Sorry...another fact rather than opin.
I'm concerned about this; as it means the guy's simply another RINO.
Just what we didn't need.
"...but increasingly--chiding Dubyuh from the Right about being too deferential to the Vile Whims of the RATS!! He won't say it out loud..."
Well he'd better start saying it aloud.
Make that screaming; often and a lot at that.
"...but I believe Rush knows that the Left IS Hate and Intolerance and Anti-Ameri...EVERYTHING THAT IS WRONG WITH AMERICA!!"
Those are the very reasons he's got to raise his voice.
Stop the Mr Niceguy stuff & begin roughing-up the weasels Daschle, Dorgan, Bonior & assorted Leftist punks or they're surely going to bury this nation -- & all who oppose their will.
Now that's not an opin, that's another damned fact.
"There can be no more compromising with this UnMitigated EVIL..."
No. There cannot.
A, "compromise" with these snakes merely means putting off one's own demise to a time of their Leftist choosing, is all.
I for one will be damned to grant 'em that one, last remaining Liberty.
"...and the Earth over the Left's Graves salted so that nothing will ever grow there again!!! IMHO, of course..."
FACT!!!
Plus; before that?
They'll be hung by one of my slip-knots from a sour apple tree!
"...somebody else on this Forum who believes that Good cannot compromise with Evil...and that the Right has no choice but to SLAUGHTER the Left!!"
Yup.
"Wonder if there are other FReepers who understand this TRUTH as well?"
People have their *conservative* POTUS now; so they're going to be reluctant to be as verbal as they would've been under the heel of that other SOB.
But, as time moves on it's likely they're going to be seeing what I'm seeing.
If that's so?
They're not going to be much happier then, than at any time Clintigula was our reigning Sink Emporer.
Just what the hell that implies I haven't Clue#1.
...eat, drink, & make merry, kiddo.
Been there, done that...but it don't change the Sheeple's Hearrs and Minds, which must forever remain our Goal. America's still got the potential to be Reagan's Shining City on a Hill, and is actually, IMHO, a lot closer than those Opinion-Makers on the Left would have us believe. Dubyuh's enduring 85%+ approval rating is but a symptom of this potential...remember, he's accomplishing this despite the fact that the Vast, LeftWing Medyuh Whore'd is doing everything it can to undermine his--and the GOP's--success!! The IRRELEVANCE of the National Networks is becoming increasingly-obvious on an almost daily basis, but they've been warping folks' view of reality for over two generations...patience, therefore, is a Virtue we have no choice but to practice.
Still, I continue to believe that Victory--of the Right over the Left/Wrong--is INEVITABLE if we just continue our efforts to Fight the Good Fight and keep making the Truth available to growing numbers of folks via Talk Radio and the Internet and, eventually, TeeVee and other Culture Outlets such as popular music, K-12 and Higher Education, etc. We are RIGHT...there's no arguing that, IMHO, but we must continue to thrust the Truth in the Faces of those who would disagree or are too clueless to know better!!
Failure is not an option...MUD
Of course, with the Federal Leviathan as large and meddlesome as it has become, if we were to Convict all Federally-elected officials Guilty of that crime, we'd have no Federally-elected officials...LOL!!
FReegards...MUD
"Well [El Rushbo]'d better start saying it aloud. Make that screaming; often and a lot at that."
LOL...that's an unfair excerpt, my FRiend, Rush IS "chiding" Dubyuh to Fight the Left Head-On...he's not screaming it yet--and he probably never will, due to his obvious respect fer Dubyuh--but he's saying it out loud and I believe Dubyuh will refrain from making the same mistakes his Daddy made in dealing with Puff Daschle's Taliban Left and Osama bil Clinton!!
"Stop the Mr Niceguy stuff & begin roughing-up the weasels Daschle, Dorgan, Bonior & assorted Leftist punks or they're surely going to bury this nation -- & all who oppose their will."
Yep...
"...somebody else on this Forum who believes that Good cannot compromise with Evil...and that the Right has no choice but to SLAUGHTER the Left!! Wonder if there are other FReepers who understand this TRUTH as well?"
"People have their *conservative* POTUS now; so they're going to be reluctant to be as verbal as they would've been under the heel of that other SOB."
I hope you're mistaken here, my FRiend, because I actually believe Dubyuh benefits from--and secretly appreciates--Constructive Criticism from "RadicalRightWingWhackos" like us. I keep forgetting the guy's name, but there was a Reagan Budget Director who Limbaugh interviewed for the Limbaugh Letter who said "George W. is the Conservative Mole within his own Administration." I think there may be a lotta Wisdom in this viewpoint...deep down, Dubyuh may realize that the Federal Leviathan is what's wrong with America, but he can only do something dramatic about it if he's carrying out the Will of the Sheeple!! It's up to us Sheeple to continue to make the case that compromising with the Left is not an option.
"...eat, drink, & make merry, kiddo."
Two outta three ain't bad...but I'm pullin' another gandhi fer the next 3 fortnights startin' today, so the first command must be put off until the Missuz B-day on the 23rd!!
Feelin' slimmer already...MUD
That's the plan I'm working on- bypassing the corrupt, cynical, gullible, celebrity-worshipping media- both the news and entertainment divisions. Same ole bird, just different wings....
Love your posts and your hearts.
Exactly, my FRiend...We Shall Not Be Spun Again!!
"Same ole bird, just different wings...."
Flyin' Higher Than The Right Has EVER Flown...This Year!!
Right ain't compromising with the Left...we're gonna DESTROY IT in November 2002...'cuz it's already DEAD!!
FReegards...MUD
"SlickWillie LIES!! (under oath)"
(To be sung to Elvis Presley's "Suspicious Minds")
Slick's just like The Clap...Slick Won't Stay Out...
Becuz Bill Loves US sooo much, Ladies!!
Folks, won't you see?! EX-Prez'dent Clinton's "Guilty!!"
Networks LIE...don't believe a word Left's sayin'!!
We must DETHRONE Bill Clinton...must CONVICT Slick's LIES!!
(IMPEACH Left's LIES....)**
Folks, we can't build our "bridge" when OUR EX-Prez'dent's LIES!!
So, c'mon FReepers, let's go!! Right's gotta DETHRONE Left's 'HO!!
We gonna teach DemLib'rals 'bout OUR Rights!!
'Cuz once we DETHRONE Slick...and keep Ol' Dubyuh in,
Slick'll spend many years in Jail fer SPYIN"!!
(Folks, keep fightin'....)**
World shall go on without Slick...Tyranny's Left's CRIME!!
(Slick we'll INDICT!!)**
We'll shatter all Left's dreams...De-Brainwash Left's Minds!!
Left retails Fear and Lies...Fer OUR Country We Shall Fight!!
We won't let Liberty die...Seek Justice, you know just what we gotta do!!
Ummm...uhmmmm...yeah...yeah...
Slick's caught in our TRAP...let's FReep him down!!
Becuz a Traitor Can't Be Prez'dent!!
It's so clear to me...gotzta Fight to be FRee!!
(Ooh-ahhh-oooohh)**
Don't y'all care what yer grandchildren/forefathers say?!
Now, FReepers, SING IT!!
Slick's Caught in OUR Trap!!...Slick We'll INDICT!!
Limbaugh Shall Sing the Truth, sweet Nation!!
Ohhh...can't just feel it?!
Slick's just like The Clap...gotta cut him out...
(Repeat...fade to finish)
Thank ya...thankyaverymuch...MUD
**(FReeperGal Chorus, of course!!)
"...McAuliffe and father-in-law Richard Swann formed American Capital Management to buy Florida properties that the RTC took over after putting Swann's S&L into receivership. Some of the properties were acquired using union pension money...The IBEW not only financed McAuliffe's ventures, but it also helped boost his stature as a Democratic fund-raiser by contributing $6 million to party candidates from 1991 to 1996..."
Is that the way the Game's played, folks?! I think not...at least not LEGALLY!! I dare any RightWinger to make his Millions this way...he'd be outta politics in a NOOYAWK Minute, he would!!
"In a letter signed on Mar. 18, 1993, Prudential agreed to pay McAuliffe $375,000 if the Pension Benefit Guaranty Corp. (PBGC) signed a 15-year, $187 million lease to occupy a downtown Washington office building owned by the insurer. The U. S. Attorney for the District of Columbia charged that Prudential falsely certified, after it won the lease, that it had not hired anyone to help influence the bidding process, which is ILLEGAL under the Competition in Contracting Act....As the Prudential matter drags on, McAuliffe isn't out of the woods yet on the Teamsters case, whose central figure, campaign consultant Martin Davis, is a friend of McAuliffe. Davis has pleaded guilty to masterminding an illegal scheme to raise $1 million for Teamsters President Carey's 1996 reelection. Davis told McAuliffe he could help raise $1 million for the DNC from the Teamsters, but McAuliffe denies he knew any details of how Davis intended to do this. Davis, in his guilty plea, says his plan was to launder Teamsters donations through the DNC in an effort to hide the source of Carey's money..."
Is Mr. Martin Davis still amongst The Living, folks?! If so, we've got one helluva witness against Terry McAuliffe!!
More to come (stay tuned)...MUD
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