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Did boy Jesus look like this? Forensic experts use computer images from Shroud
WorldNetDaily.com ^ | Friday, December 24, 2004

Posted on 12/24/2004 12:18:11 AM PST by JohnHuang2

© 2004 WorldNetDaily.com


Computer-generated sketch of boy Jesus based on Shroud of Turin (courtesy Retequattro-Mediaset

What did Jesus Christ of Nazareth look like as a boy?

While no one knows for certain, forensic experts are now using computer images from the Shroud of Turin along with historical data and other ancient images to make an educated guess.

In a documentary called "Jesus' Childhood" airing Sunday night on the Italian TV station Retequattro of the Mediaset Group, police artists use the same "aging" technology employed when searching for missing persons and criminals.

"In this case the experts went backwards. Now we have a hypothesis on how the man of the shroud might have looked at the age of 12," Mediaset said in a statement. "While some features, such as the color of the eyes and the hair's length, cut and color, are arbitrary, others come directly from the face impressed on the shroud."

The group points out the facial proportions between the nose and eyebrow, as well as the shape of the jaw are identical to those on the shroud, which is a piece of linen some believe to be the actual burial cloth of Jesus after he was crucified.

The resulting image shows a fair-skinned child with blond, wavy hair and dark eyes.

"We made a rigorous effort based on the Shroud of Turin, but it's clear that the data at our disposal were limited," police official Carlo Bui told the Italian paper Corriere della Sera. "Let's say we have made an excellent hypothesis."

The Bible itself gives little information as to the specifics of what Jesus looked like during his ministry.

It does say he was a descendant of King David, who may have been fair-skinned with a reddish tint to his face and hair. The Old Testament notes David as a youth "was ruddy, and withal of a beautiful countenance, and goodly to look to." (I Samuel 2:16)

Others have argued Jesus was more olive or dark-skinned being from the Middle East.

The book of Isaiah gives what many believe to be a prophecy about Jesus' appearance as a human being, noting there wouldn't be any features out of the ordinary:

"For he shall grow up before him as a tender plant, and as a root out of a dry ground: he hath no form nor comeliness; and when we shall see him, there is no beauty that we should desire him." (Isaiah 53:2)

When asked by Discovery News about the latest computer-generated image, Prof. James Charlesworth, an expert on Jesus research and the Gospel of John at Princeton Theological Seminary, said, "Too many Christians look down the well of history, seeking to see Jesus' face, and see the reflection of their own image. Those who follow Jesus find him attractive and thence always tend to portray him as a very attractive male, as in this new image."

"It shows clearly an Aryan Jesus, just like the Nazis proclaimed. Jesus was a Jew, looked like a Jew, and followed Jewish customs," he said.

As WorldNetDaily previously reported, the Shroud of Turin itself has been mired in controversy for centuries, with some maintaining the image on the linen is that of the crucified Jesus, while others reject it as an elaborate hoax.

In the 1980s, three international laboratories were selected to run the newly refined accelerated mass spectrometry (AMS) method of carbon dating on the shroud, to help determine its time of origin. The labs, including one at the University of Arizona at Tucson, all concurred the shroud was dated 1260-1390 AD.

But many have since questioned the reliability of the carbon-dating process which fixed that time period.

In 2000, millions of people turned out to view the controversial fabric during a rare public display.

The New Testament does refer to linens in connection with Jesus' burial, recounted when Jesus' disciples went to his tomb:

Peter therefore went forth, and that other disciple, and came to the sepulchre. So they ran both together: and the other disciple did outrun Peter, and came first to the sepulchre. And he stooping down, and looking in, saw the linen clothes lying; yet went he not in. Then cometh Simon Peter following him, and went into the sepulchre, and seeth the linen clothes lie, And the napkin, that was about his head, not lying with the linen clothes, but wrapped together in a place by itself. (John 20:3-7)

While some think the "napkin" that was on Jesus' head casts doubt on the whole shroud theory, others believe it helps validate the shroud as authentic.

A relic called the Sudarium of Oviedo is claimed by some to be the actual cloth around Jesus' head.

The cloth is impregnated with blood and lymph stains that match the blood type on the Shroud of Turin. The pattern and measurements of stains indicate the placement of the cloth over the face.

Juan Ignacio Moreno, a Spanish magistrate based in Burgos, Spain, asks a critical question:

"The scientific and medical studies on the Sudarium prove that it was the covering for the same man whose image is [on] the Shroud of Turin. We know that the Sudarium has been in Spain since the 600s. How, then, can the radio carbon dating claiming the shroud is only from the 13th century be accurate?"




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To: cyborg
I know for a fact that Santa Claus is Italian.

I though he was Turkish...

81 posted on 12/24/2004 4:47:45 PM PST by Swordmaker (Tagline now open, please ring bell.)
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To: cyborg

Santa Claus is Polish because he wears red and white!


82 posted on 12/24/2004 4:48:34 PM PST by Clemenza (Morford 2008: Not that there's anything wrong with it!)
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To: valkyrieanne

Looks like my cousin Irwin.


83 posted on 12/24/2004 4:49:39 PM PST by Pharmboy (Listen...you can still hear the old media sobbing.)
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To: JohnHuang2

In any case... I'm off to do Christmas Eve stuff...


Merry Christmas!


84 posted on 12/24/2004 4:50:51 PM PST by Swordmaker (Tagline now open, please ring bell.)
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To: Clemenza; cyborg
Are you back in the east for the holidays are still in the great northwest?

Wherever you are, Merry Christmas!

And cy, all the best to you, sweetie!

85 posted on 12/24/2004 4:53:12 PM PST by Pharmboy (Listen...you can still hear the old media sobbing.)
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To: Pharmboy

Thanks Pharm! Unfortunatly, I couldn't make it to Boca (where my parents now live) or New York this year for various reasons. I'm all alone, but still enjoying a soggy Christmas.


86 posted on 12/24/2004 4:56:04 PM PST by Clemenza (Morford 2008: Not that there's anything wrong with it!)
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To: JohnHuang2
Isaiah 53

1 Who has believed our message and to whom has the arm of the LORD been revealed?
2 He grew up before him like a tender shoot, and like a root out of dry ground. He had no beauty or majesty to attract us to him, nothing in his appearance that we should desire him.
3 He was despised and rejected by men, a man of sorrows, and familiar with suffering. Like one from whom men hide their faces he was despised, and we esteemed him not.

4 Surely he took up our infirmities and carried our sorrows, yet we considered him stricken by God, smitten by him, and afflicted.
5 But he was pierced for our transgressions, he was crushed for our iniquities; the punishment that brought us peace was upon him, and by his wounds we are healed.
6 We all, like sheep, have gone astray, each of us has turned to his own way; and the LORD has laid on him the iniquity of us all.

7 He was oppressed and afflicted, yet he did not open his mouth; he was led like a lamb to the slaughter, and as a sheep before her shearers is silent, so he did not open his mouth.
8 By oppression and judgment he was taken away. And who can speak of his descendants? For he was cut off from the land of the living; for the transgression of my people he was stricken.
9 He was assigned a grave with the wicked, and with the rich in his death, though he had done no violence, nor was any deceit in his mouth.

10 Yet it was the LORD's will to crush him and cause him to suffer, and though the LORD makes his life a guilt offering, he will see his offspring and prolong his days, and the will of the LORD will prosper in his hand.
11 After the suffering of his soul, he will see the light of life and be satisfied; by his knowledge my righteous servant will justify many, and he will bear their iniquities.
12 Therefore I will give him a portion among the great, and he will divide the spoils with the strong, because he poured out his life unto death, and was numbered with the transgressors. For he bore the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors.

Thank you, Lord, for agreeing to be born, to suffer and die for our sin, and to rise again on the third day.

You are Beautiful!

Merry Christmas all.

87 posted on 12/24/2004 5:17:23 PM PST by mombonn ( ¡Viva Bush/Cheney! Dukakis and Kerry are the matching bookends of the Bush era.)
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To: Clemenza
Boca! They must have had a nice Hanukkah!! LOL!!

Well, no white Christmas for us, but I told my neighbors we would have no snow this year since I finally sprung for a 750 dollar Craftsman snow thrower. So, they can all blame me for a non-white Christmas...

( ;-D

Stay dry...and you can always attend a Kurt Cobain festival if you get bored...

88 posted on 12/24/2004 5:20:39 PM PST by Pharmboy (Listen...you can still hear the old media sobbing.)
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To: Thinkin' Gal
His Excellency of Jordan Jerry Mathers

Separated at birth

89 posted on 12/24/2004 8:18:53 PM PST by martin_fierro (Hines Ward is my son! OK, not really, but it'd be nice.)
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To: ETERNAL WARMING
His face is very angular. His lips are scruffy. His skin is pocked. His hair is dark and He isn't handsome. His nose is classic but large.

He looks like Dennis Farina?

90 posted on 12/24/2004 8:25:56 PM PST by Inyokern
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To: Argh

I thought he looked like a young Sean Penn.


91 posted on 12/24/2004 8:26:13 PM PST by Publius
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To: JohnHuang2
No, he didn't look a thing like that.

Glad we could clear that up.

92 posted on 12/24/2004 8:26:53 PM PST by Pahuanui (When a foolish man hears of the Tao, he laughs out loud)
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To: ultima ratio

Excellent post.

Merry Christmas.


93 posted on 12/24/2004 8:51:00 PM PST by Baraonda (Demographic is destiny. Don't hire 3rd world illegal aliens nor support businesses that hire them.)
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To: valkyrieanne

I bought a slurpy from this exact guy the other week at a 7-11.


94 posted on 12/24/2004 8:52:59 PM PST by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: Thinkin' Gal

The one on the right does not look like Jesus. He looks like a madman.

Obviously this picture is an attempt at demeaning and belittling Jesus.

Merry Christmas.


95 posted on 12/24/2004 8:54:16 PM PST by Baraonda (Demographic is destiny. Don't hire 3rd world illegal aliens nor support businesses that hire them.)
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To: cyborg

My mother was a child of the depression, living in very hard circumstances, very difficult; a banana, an orange and maybe a stick of peppermint in her Christmas stocking was a good Christmas for her. - Then the kids would all come to school the next day at the little one room schoolhouse in the mountains. Some of them were poor like her, but there were those who brought big, pretty dolls and toys, wore new clothes in a sort of "show and tell what Santa brought ME".

She believed in Santa Claus; but she wondered if Santa Claus loved little children so much WHY WAS HE SO PARTIAL? She would have been better off knowing Santa Claus was her hard working parents who had to struggle to give her a pocket handkerchief or the little treats she and her six surviving brothers and sisters received for Christmas. She lived several years as a child feeling like she was not as good as other children, not as loved by Santa Claus as other children, maybe not as loved by God.

She and I had a good laugh about it, but that was a lot of years later and a lot of pain in a child's heart. Normally, I would say children have to face the reality of other kids having more of this or a better that than their parents might be able to afford; but based on a lie that causes the child even more pain and feelings of inferiority than is necessary, I don't know.

Having said this, we played Santa Claus with our son for several years when he was little. I doubt I would now. The reality of Christmas can be blessed just with the truth.


96 posted on 12/24/2004 8:56:35 PM PST by Twinkie
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To: ovrtaxt

We have been to the little Wyatt museum (and it IS very small but has quite a bit in it). Ron Wyatt is deceased now, but he claimed to have found the Ark of the Covenant and that it was hidden in a cave right below where the cross was set; that the purpose of the earthquake was to split the earth so Christ's blood would seep through the earth and onto the literal mercy seat. I don't know one way or the other, but it's an interesting story.


97 posted on 12/24/2004 9:01:23 PM PST by Twinkie
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To: JohnHuang2
I see the resemblance.

98 posted on 12/24/2004 9:03:10 PM PST by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: martin_fierro
" Separated at birth"

I think you have something there.

99 posted on 12/24/2004 9:03:57 PM PST by groanup (RATs are afraid of the light so spread a little sunshine.)
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To: martin_fierro

It's the Beeb!


100 posted on 12/24/2004 9:11:46 PM PST by Thinkin' Gal
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