Posted on 12/24/2004 12:18:11 AM PST by JohnHuang2
Mary has appeared to the faithful in many parts of the world and she appears in a likeness for assurance of those who see her. Mary of La Vang, the apparitions in Viet Nam were of a woman who would be familiar in appearance to the people who saw her and is dressed familiarly ->http://www.marypages.com/LaVang.htm
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It's just that--an artist's rendition, nothing more.
How do you paint innocence, spiritual authority, devotion to the Father? The face you've posted looks worried, agitated, frightened and coarse. I doubt such a man would have attracted the Jewish masses as described in the Gospels, let alone willingly and bravely have accepted crucifixion. Can you imagine women washing this artist's rendition's feet with their tears? Would such a man attract the little children--or frighten them away?
Jesus was charismatic, authoritative, imposing--even to his enemies. Pilate was impressed by him. Yet he was gentle, women and children were attracted to him. He was also young and athletic--traveling enormous distances on foot with his followers, living close to the elements half the time. He gave people hope--even the publicans and prostitutes whom the rest of society condemned.
Some of this must have been evident in his face. The shroud, despite the evident disfigurements, is haunting in its dignity. Your artist's picture is a sham, therefore, a deliberate put-down, a shallow interpretation. He got the semitic look right, but nothing else. This might have done as a rendition of one of the Pharisees, actually, or maybe Judas, anguished and tormented as he was at the end--but not Jesus.
Exactly.
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I like the look of this one alot better than the one that Time Magazine created that makes Jesus look almost Neanderthal.
I think it was Popular Science mag last year that published an article showing how Jesus may have really looked. The image they computer-generated from skull measurements of men of his time and place was of a middle Eastern man with a dark complexion, a Jewish nose, black hair and dark eyes. He most certainly did not have blond hair and blue eyes as many artists have depicted his image.
Jesus looked like Matthew McConaughey?
There is a mural of the Last Supper on a church wall in Peru, with them eating the local dish...grilled guinea pig.
Yum !
All scientific evidence now demostrates that the section of the Shroud from which the 1989 Carbon 14 test sample was taken is NOT the same as the rest of the Shroud. Contrary to the agreed protocols, which called for seven samples taken from seven completely different areas of the Shroud, the sample that was tested was taken from only ONE area; an area adjacent to an already repaired area that all the scientists had agreed was not to be tested for reasons that will be made clear below. The change in protocol occured literally at the last hour. However, the sample "appeared" to the naked eye as similar to the rest of the Shroud. It was and is not.
The result of this change in protocol resulted in GIGO... Garbage In, Garbage Out... and invalidates the test.
Why the C14 Sample was the wrong sample to test.
The sample contains both original Shroud material AND added material from a 16th Century expert repair done by invisible reweaving. The added threads have an "S" twist while the Shroud threads have a "Z" twist. The added threads were retted by a technique totally different from the threads in the rest of the shroud... a technique that was not used in the 13th Century or the 1st Century but was common in the 16th. The section the sample was cut from floresces differently than the rest of the Shroud and X-ray Spectography of that section show a significantly different chemical profile than the rest ot the Shroud.
Statistical anomoly in the tests results
When the C14 test results were announced "triumphantly" in 1989, several people questioned why the results from the three labs ranged too far beyond the plus or minus 25 years degree of confidence expected for the singular sample. The three labs reported creation dates spanning 150 years, and even more remarkable was the fact that one lab, considered the most accurate and hence given TWO samples cut from the original, reported both the oldest and the youngest age for the Shroud samples USING THE EXACT SAME TECHNIQUE. Control samples from other ancient cloth were well within the expected degree of confidence from all three labs. Only the Shroud material showed considerable diverse dates.
There is an expanation.
The "new" threads of the 16th Century repair intermixed with the "original" Shroud threads with a change-over between the two occuring on a diagonal bias across the C14 sample. Assuming a 1st Century Provenance for the original threads and a 16th Century provenance for the new threads results in exactly the results the three C14 labs reported... with the spread in creation dates being directly proportional to the amount of original to repair threads in each piece of the sample.
Thus, the most accurate labs two samples reported dates 150 years apart because the samples came from each end of the original sample. The other two labs' samples came from between the oldest and youngest and their reported dates are proportional to position between the two and the percentage of rewoven material to original material.
The C14 tests are now considered invalid (even the inventor of the C14 test and Nobel laureate agrees). However, the statistical analysis of the content of the sample, vis-a-vis percentage of "old" to "new" threads, and the reported ages, are explicable IF, and only if, the old thread is 1st Century!
Phptographic Negative of the picture on the shroud.
A 3D projection of the image produced using Bryce Software.
That image was based on a lot of false information. Just one example is the claim that Jews of the period would have been less than five feet tall... which is contrary to archeology.
An examination of male skeletons found in a 1st Century Jewish Cemetary in Jerusalem showed that the average height was 5 feeet 8 1/4 inches tall. Modern American males' average height is 5 feeet 8 1/2 inches.
e mail me the picture...I'll put it up on my hosting site for you.
BTTT
Merry Christmas amigo.
I have never seen this. What is your source?
"Bathsheba"??? Are you confabulating her with the Queen of Sheba, who may have been Black?
It is certainly not Biblical. The mercy seat was enclosed in the Holy of Holies and Jesus would have not have been admitted.
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