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Did boy Jesus look like this? Forensic experts use computer images from Shroud
WorldNetDaily.com ^ | Friday, December 24, 2004

Posted on 12/24/2004 12:18:11 AM PST by JohnHuang2

© 2004 WorldNetDaily.com


Computer-generated sketch of boy Jesus based on Shroud of Turin (courtesy Retequattro-Mediaset

What did Jesus Christ of Nazareth look like as a boy?

While no one knows for certain, forensic experts are now using computer images from the Shroud of Turin along with historical data and other ancient images to make an educated guess.

In a documentary called "Jesus' Childhood" airing Sunday night on the Italian TV station Retequattro of the Mediaset Group, police artists use the same "aging" technology employed when searching for missing persons and criminals.

"In this case the experts went backwards. Now we have a hypothesis on how the man of the shroud might have looked at the age of 12," Mediaset said in a statement. "While some features, such as the color of the eyes and the hair's length, cut and color, are arbitrary, others come directly from the face impressed on the shroud."

The group points out the facial proportions between the nose and eyebrow, as well as the shape of the jaw are identical to those on the shroud, which is a piece of linen some believe to be the actual burial cloth of Jesus after he was crucified.

The resulting image shows a fair-skinned child with blond, wavy hair and dark eyes.

"We made a rigorous effort based on the Shroud of Turin, but it's clear that the data at our disposal were limited," police official Carlo Bui told the Italian paper Corriere della Sera. "Let's say we have made an excellent hypothesis."

The Bible itself gives little information as to the specifics of what Jesus looked like during his ministry.

It does say he was a descendant of King David, who may have been fair-skinned with a reddish tint to his face and hair. The Old Testament notes David as a youth "was ruddy, and withal of a beautiful countenance, and goodly to look to." (I Samuel 2:16)

Others have argued Jesus was more olive or dark-skinned being from the Middle East.

The book of Isaiah gives what many believe to be a prophecy about Jesus' appearance as a human being, noting there wouldn't be any features out of the ordinary:

"For he shall grow up before him as a tender plant, and as a root out of a dry ground: he hath no form nor comeliness; and when we shall see him, there is no beauty that we should desire him." (Isaiah 53:2)

When asked by Discovery News about the latest computer-generated image, Prof. James Charlesworth, an expert on Jesus research and the Gospel of John at Princeton Theological Seminary, said, "Too many Christians look down the well of history, seeking to see Jesus' face, and see the reflection of their own image. Those who follow Jesus find him attractive and thence always tend to portray him as a very attractive male, as in this new image."

"It shows clearly an Aryan Jesus, just like the Nazis proclaimed. Jesus was a Jew, looked like a Jew, and followed Jewish customs," he said.

As WorldNetDaily previously reported, the Shroud of Turin itself has been mired in controversy for centuries, with some maintaining the image on the linen is that of the crucified Jesus, while others reject it as an elaborate hoax.

In the 1980s, three international laboratories were selected to run the newly refined accelerated mass spectrometry (AMS) method of carbon dating on the shroud, to help determine its time of origin. The labs, including one at the University of Arizona at Tucson, all concurred the shroud was dated 1260-1390 AD.

But many have since questioned the reliability of the carbon-dating process which fixed that time period.

In 2000, millions of people turned out to view the controversial fabric during a rare public display.

The New Testament does refer to linens in connection with Jesus' burial, recounted when Jesus' disciples went to his tomb:

Peter therefore went forth, and that other disciple, and came to the sepulchre. So they ran both together: and the other disciple did outrun Peter, and came first to the sepulchre. And he stooping down, and looking in, saw the linen clothes lying; yet went he not in. Then cometh Simon Peter following him, and went into the sepulchre, and seeth the linen clothes lie, And the napkin, that was about his head, not lying with the linen clothes, but wrapped together in a place by itself. (John 20:3-7)

While some think the "napkin" that was on Jesus' head casts doubt on the whole shroud theory, others believe it helps validate the shroud as authentic.

A relic called the Sudarium of Oviedo is claimed by some to be the actual cloth around Jesus' head.

The cloth is impregnated with blood and lymph stains that match the blood type on the Shroud of Turin. The pattern and measurements of stains indicate the placement of the cloth over the face.

Juan Ignacio Moreno, a Spanish magistrate based in Burgos, Spain, asks a critical question:

"The scientific and medical studies on the Sudarium prove that it was the covering for the same man whose image is [on] the Shroud of Turin. We know that the Sudarium has been in Spain since the 600s. How, then, can the radio carbon dating claiming the shroud is only from the 13th century be accurate?"




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To: R. Scott
I have seen representations of The Christ in the Orient that were Asian, Black in predominately Black churches and Nordic in many Protestant churches. It doesn’t even matter that the Virgin of Guadalupe is apparently Mexican.

Mary has appeared to the faithful in many parts of the world and she appears in a likeness for assurance of those who see her. Mary of La Vang, the apparitions in Viet Nam were of a woman who would be familiar in appearance to the people who saw her and is dressed familiarly ->http://www.marypages.com/LaVang.htm

61 posted on 12/24/2004 6:53:55 AM PST by ThanhPhero ( Nguoi di hanh huong den La Vang)
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To: Nightshift

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62 posted on 12/24/2004 7:00:49 AM PST by tutstar ( <{{--->< http://ripe4change.4-all.org Violations of Florida Statutes ongoing!)
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To: eccentric

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1286880/posts


63 posted on 12/24/2004 8:53:49 AM PST by miltonim (Fight those who do not believe in Allah. - Koran, Surah IX: 29)
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To: valkyrieanne

It's just that--an artist's rendition, nothing more.


64 posted on 12/24/2004 9:00:05 AM PST by ultima ratio
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To: valkyrieanne

How do you paint innocence, spiritual authority, devotion to the Father? The face you've posted looks worried, agitated, frightened and coarse. I doubt such a man would have attracted the Jewish masses as described in the Gospels, let alone willingly and bravely have accepted crucifixion. Can you imagine women washing this artist's rendition's feet with their tears? Would such a man attract the little children--or frighten them away?

Jesus was charismatic, authoritative, imposing--even to his enemies. Pilate was impressed by him. Yet he was gentle, women and children were attracted to him. He was also young and athletic--traveling enormous distances on foot with his followers, living close to the elements half the time. He gave people hope--even the publicans and prostitutes whom the rest of society condemned.

Some of this must have been evident in his face. The shroud, despite the evident disfigurements, is haunting in its dignity. Your artist's picture is a sham, therefore, a deliberate put-down, a shallow interpretation. He got the semitic look right, but nothing else. This might have done as a rendition of one of the Pharisees, actually, or maybe Judas, anguished and tormented as he was at the end--but not Jesus.


65 posted on 12/24/2004 9:20:07 AM PST by ultima ratio
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To: ThanhPhero

Exactly.


66 posted on 12/24/2004 12:21:03 PM PST by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink.)
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To: Alamo-Girl; HiTech RedNeck; Don Joe; Young Werther; RightWhale; SMEDLEYBUTLER; mjp; Jape; ...

Shroud of Turin PING List PINGEROONIE!!!

If you want to be 0 or 1 on the Digital Shroud list, Freepmail me... for you binary impaired, that's YES (include me) or NO (delete me).


67 posted on 12/24/2004 3:32:01 PM PST by Swordmaker (Tagline now open, please ring bell.)
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To: JohnHuang2

I like the look of this one alot better than the one that Time Magazine created that makes Jesus look almost Neanderthal.


68 posted on 12/24/2004 3:37:46 PM PST by MHT
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To: martin_fierro; Lijahsbubbe; aculeus; Simcha7; dighton; dennisw; Yehuda; Tijeras_Slim; AnnaZ; ...
The title brought that same "BBC Jesus" face immediately to mind. What were they thinking, that Jesus belonged to TROP? Just because he was crucified with malefactors, doesn't mean he looked like them!

Separated at birth?
69 posted on 12/24/2004 3:48:32 PM PST by Thinkin' Gal
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To: beaver fever

I think it was Popular Science mag last year that published an article showing how Jesus may have really looked. The image they computer-generated from skull measurements of men of his time and place was of a middle Eastern man with a dark complexion, a Jewish nose, black hair and dark eyes. He most certainly did not have blond hair and blue eyes as many artists have depicted his image.


70 posted on 12/24/2004 3:49:37 PM PST by Paulus Invictus
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To: JohnHuang2

Jesus looked like Matthew McConaughey?


71 posted on 12/24/2004 3:50:30 PM PST by Argh
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To: R. Scott

There is a mural of the Last Supper on a church wall in Peru, with them eating the local dish...grilled guinea pig.

Yum !


72 posted on 12/24/2004 3:59:41 PM PST by PoorMuttly ("The right of the People to be Muttly shall not be infringed,")
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To: Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit
Shroud was proven to be a 13th century fake several years ago.

All scientific evidence now demostrates that the section of the Shroud from which the 1989 Carbon 14 test sample was taken is NOT the same as the rest of the Shroud. Contrary to the agreed protocols, which called for seven samples taken from seven completely different areas of the Shroud, the sample that was tested was taken from only ONE area; an area adjacent to an already repaired area that all the scientists had agreed was not to be tested for reasons that will be made clear below. The change in protocol occured literally at the last hour. However, the sample "appeared" to the naked eye as similar to the rest of the Shroud. It was and is not.

The result of this change in protocol resulted in GIGO... Garbage In, Garbage Out... and invalidates the test.

Why the C14 Sample was the wrong sample to test.

The sample contains both original Shroud material AND added material from a 16th Century expert repair done by invisible reweaving. The added threads have an "S" twist while the Shroud threads have a "Z" twist. The added threads were retted by a technique totally different from the threads in the rest of the shroud... a technique that was not used in the 13th Century or the 1st Century but was common in the 16th. The section the sample was cut from floresces differently than the rest of the Shroud and X-ray Spectography of that section show a significantly different chemical profile than the rest ot the Shroud.

Statistical anomoly in the tests results

When the C14 test results were announced "triumphantly" in 1989, several people questioned why the results from the three labs ranged too far beyond the plus or minus 25 years degree of confidence expected for the singular sample. The three labs reported creation dates spanning 150 years, and even more remarkable was the fact that one lab, considered the most accurate and hence given TWO samples cut from the original, reported both the oldest and the youngest age for the Shroud samples USING THE EXACT SAME TECHNIQUE. Control samples from other ancient cloth were well within the expected degree of confidence from all three labs. Only the Shroud material showed considerable diverse dates.

There is an expanation.

The "new" threads of the 16th Century repair intermixed with the "original" Shroud threads with a change-over between the two occuring on a diagonal bias across the C14 sample. Assuming a 1st Century Provenance for the original threads and a 16th Century provenance for the new threads results in exactly the results the three C14 labs reported... with the spread in creation dates being directly proportional to the amount of original to repair threads in each piece of the sample.

Thus, the most accurate labs two samples reported dates 150 years apart because the samples came from each end of the original sample. The other two labs' samples came from between the oldest and youngest and their reported dates are proportional to position between the two and the percentage of rewoven material to original material.

The C14 tests are now considered invalid (even the inventor of the C14 test and Nobel laureate agrees). However, the statistical analysis of the content of the sample, vis-a-vis percentage of "old" to "new" threads, and the reported ages, are explicable IF, and only if, the old thread is 1st Century!

73 posted on 12/24/2004 4:05:37 PM PST by Swordmaker (Tagline now open, please ring bell.)
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To: JohnHuang2

Phptographic Negative of the picture on the shroud.

A 3D projection of the image produced using Bryce Software.


74 posted on 12/24/2004 4:06:26 PM PST by jwalsh07
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To: martin_fierro
Then there was the Popular Mechanics forensic "reconstruction" of Jesus' face

That image was based on a lot of false information. Just one example is the claim that Jews of the period would have been less than five feet tall... which is contrary to archeology.

An examination of male skeletons found in a 1st Century Jewish Cemetary in Jerusalem showed that the average height was 5 feeet 8 1/4 inches tall. Modern American males' average height is 5 feeet 8 1/2 inches.

75 posted on 12/24/2004 4:11:04 PM PST by Swordmaker (Tagline now open, please ring bell.)
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To: eccentric
This is all I get. It's on my harddrive. I can't find it on the web

e mail me the picture...I'll put it up on my hosting site for you.

76 posted on 12/24/2004 4:11:52 PM PST by Focault's Pendulum
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To: JohnHuang2

BTTT


77 posted on 12/24/2004 4:12:19 PM PST by Fiddlstix (This Tagline for sale. (Presented by TagLines R US))
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To: JohnHuang2

Merry Christmas amigo.


78 posted on 12/24/2004 4:21:39 PM PST by jwalsh07
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To: LS
Depending on your reading of scripture, Jesus had in His past several Hittites, who were thought to be black. Interestingly, the lineages mentioned in the Gospels only record a handful of women---and arguably all of them (for ex., Bathsheeba) were black. This means that Jesus likely looked like an amalgam of Semitie/"white"/black (and, if God is as smart as I think He is, he probably worked a little Oriental and Indian in there too). In short, there is good reason to think that physically, Jesus looked a little bit like all people.

I have never seen this. What is your source?

"Bathsheba"??? Are you confabulating her with the Queen of Sheba, who may have been Black?

79 posted on 12/24/2004 4:45:06 PM PST by Swordmaker (Tagline now open, please ring bell.)
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To: ovrtaxt
Look for the story of the ark of the covenant. He claims the Blood of Jesus literally ran onto the mercy seat. It certainly is compelling, don't now how true it is.

It is certainly not Biblical. The mercy seat was enclosed in the Holy of Holies and Jesus would have not have been admitted.

80 posted on 12/24/2004 4:46:53 PM PST by Swordmaker (Tagline now open, please ring bell.)
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