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Pagans fight for divine rights of old Greek gods
Scotsman ^ | September 21, 2003 | MATTHEW BRUNWASSER

Posted on 09/24/2003 6:28:19 AM PDT by NYer

IN THE shadow of Mount Olympus the toga-clad worshippers sway to the beating of a drum as the bearded man leading the ceremony throws a pinch of grain into a torch, then circles his hand above the flames.

While the group, dressed in yellow, red and blue robes, may appear to be taking part in some bewildering historical re-enactment, they are members a growing pagan movement dedicated to resurrecting the religion and way of life of ancient Greece.

The pagans have gathered in a meadow near the sacred mountain where their ancestors believed the gods lived and held court to perform a naming ceremony for a nine-month-old boy, Nikoforos Xanthopoulos.

The bearded man officiating, Tryphon Olympios, 58, from Skliva in southern Greece, was a philosophy professor at Stockholm University for 25 years.

"May he be worthy of being Greek" Olympios calls out.

"Worthy," the crowd roars in response.

Leaders of the "return of the Hellenes" movement say they have 2,000 "hard-core" practising followers, about 5,000 who travel to Mount Olympus, 100km southwest of the city of Thessaloniki in northern Greece, for the annual celebration, and 100,000 "sympathisers" who support their ideas.

The colourful Hellenes are viewed with interest by many in Greek society but largely ridiculed by the media. Yet their unsuccessful efforts to be recognised as an "official" Greek religion highlight Greece’s intolerance of the expression of non-Christian religions.

Olympios - now his legal name - is one of the founders of the revival. He first attracted national media attention when he publicly married his wife in an ancient ceremony in 1987.

"We want to take the world view, concepts, ideas, religion and values of the ancient Greeks, the founders of western civilisation, and adapt them to today," Olympios explained. "The Greek way is to establish a scientific society. Christianity today is hostile to science."

The Hellenes have dozens of websites and books on ancient history, culture and ideas. Ancient Greek language courses and unofficial associations are popping up throughout the country. They also hold ancient ceremonies for weddings and funerals, although only the rites of Greek Orthodox Christian clergy are legally recognised.

"We think of Carl Sagan as a Greek, and all the people in the world who love knowledge and don’t hate others," said Giannis Psomiadis, 48, a medical doctor at the naming ceremony. "We wouldn’t have Socrates or Plato without polytheism."

One of the group’s followers is Cornelia Buschbeck. The 32-year-old from Chemnitz, in the former East Germany, was wearing a white T-shirt showing a picture of a bust of Zeus.

She started teaching herself Greek at 15, and later obtained university degrees in Greek and archeology. She moved to Thessaloniki eight years ago.

"It’s a religion from here," said Buschbeck, placing a hand on her heart, "rather than here," pointing to her head.

Buschbeck explained that Hellenes do not worship the pantheon of 12 gods as deities. Rather, each god represents a natural phenomena or human value.

The movement appeals to many different tastes: for some it provides an intellectually satisfying philosophy, for others an antidote to the Greek Church’s political power, New Age reverence for the ancient or something exotic for the curiosity-seeker.

However, the movement has also attracted a small number of more sinister followers; right-wing nationalists who believe their anti-Semitic views are reflected in its rejection of the Judeo-Christian religion.

Meanwhile, the Hellenes are viewed with disdain by the Greek Orthodox Church.

About 200 yards from the meadow where the naming ceremony was being held, a small crowd filed out of a stone Christian church, following a baptism. When the priest was asked for comment, he responded with hostility: "I have only one word to say about them: idolaters."

The Hellenes still mourn the end of their civilisation in the 4th Century AD, when Christians representing the new official religion of the Roman Empire began destroying their temples, statues and libraries.

"The Greek Orthodox Christian Church is still at the scene of the crime," said Vlassis Rassias, a human resources manager at a bank, who writes books about ancient Greek history. The 44-year-old is indignant that the Greek Orthodox Church today builds new churches at every site where an ancient temple is uncovered.

One group of Hellenes, led by Panaghiotis Marinis, from the Committee for the Recognition of the Greek Religion Dodecatheon, applied two years ago for the movement to be officially recognised. The Greek government has still to make a decision on the application and, without official recognition, the group cannot build temples, have an office, or hold public ceremonies.

"We are the only religion in the world not allowed to visit our sacred sites," said Marinis. He intends to take his case to the European Court of Human Rights in Strasbourg if the Greek government does not act.

According to the US State Department’s 2002 human rights report on Greece: "Laws restrictive of freedom of speech remained in force, and some legal restrictions and administrative obstacles on freedom of religion persisted."

Making Greek society more tolerant will not be easy. According to official figures, 98% of Greeks are Greek Orthodox Christians. And Hellenes report occasional harassment. During one ceremony at a lake near Mount Olympus, Buschbeck recalls, the local Greek Orthodox Christian Bishop and some monks led a group of 100 people to the other side of the lake to oppose them. The Bishop shouted at them through a megaphone, and played cloister music through a PA system to drown out their ceremony.

"The Bishop said they would have to throw a cross in the lake to cleanse it of us," Buschbeck said. When the Hellenes complained to police, they were told it would be better that they leave, rather than have a stand-off with the Bishop.

At the Greek Ministry of National Education and Religious Affairs, Konstantinos Kontogiannis, general director of the religion directorate, claimed recognition of the movement was being considered "at the highest levels". But he added:

"We might love Manchester United, but we can’t say it’s a religion."


TOPICS: Activism; Apologetics; Current Events; General Discusssion; History; Orthodox Christian; Religion & Culture; Religion & Politics; Skeptics/Seekers; Theology; Worship
KEYWORDS: apollo; faithandphilosophy; godsgravesglyphs; olympics; zeus
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To: Skooz
No, no, no, no, no, no, NO!

They worship PLUTO, not Bluto.

Easy mistake.
21 posted on 09/24/2003 10:57:36 AM PDT by dangus
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To: NYer
I KNEW IT!!!

Disney *is* the master of Hell!

(though I have to admit, the picture you posted sure looks like a *friendly* hell-hound.)
22 posted on 09/24/2003 11:00:17 AM PDT by dangus
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To: Hermann the Cherusker
They act like this was all a big surprise that a Christian state should consider the Pagans dangerous.

Well, my, after feeding them to lions, dismembering them, cooking them alive on gridirons and covering them with oil and setting them ablaze to act as human torches, you'd think the Christians would know the pagans were really, deep down, in their heart of hearts, kind and peaceful people and full of tolerance.

23 posted on 09/24/2003 11:08:49 AM PDT by Skooz (All Hail the Mighty Kansas City Chiefs)
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To: eastsider; NYer; As you well know...; Catholicguy
I've always found this early official recognition of the priority and Primacy of Rome and the authority of the Patriarch of Alexandria interesting. The Emperors certainly knew who was in charge!

"It is our desire that all the various nations which are subject to our Clemency and Moderation, should continue in the profession of that religion which was delivered to the Romans by the divine Apostle Peter, as it hath been preserved by faithful tradition; and which is now professed by Pontiff Damasus and by Peter, Bishop of Alexandria, a man of apostolic holiness. According to the apostolic teaching and the doctrine of the Gospel, let us believe in the one deity of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit, in equal majesty and in a holy Trinity. We authorize the followers of this law to assume the title of Catholic Christians; but as for the others, since, in our judgment, they are foolish madmen, we decree that they shall be branded with the ignominious name of heretics, and shall not presume to give to their conventicles the name of churches. They will suffer in the first place the chastisement of the divine condemnation, and in the second the punishment which our authority, in accordance with the will of Heaven, shall decide to inflict." (Emperor Flavius Theodsius, Theodosian Code XVI.1.2)

24 posted on 09/24/2003 12:57:53 PM PDT by Hermann the Cherusker
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To: NYer
These are wackos, no significance in Greece. Ignore them because they have it all wrong.

Sounds like a looser trying to get laid by inventing a new religion based on a few familiar reference points. This moron has been smoking a few joints to many.
25 posted on 09/24/2003 2:07:14 PM PDT by longtermmemmory (Vote!)
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To: wideawake
you said it best, he is fishing for money.

this guy worships money.
26 posted on 09/24/2003 2:08:18 PM PDT by longtermmemmory (Vote!)
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To: NYer
INTREP
27 posted on 09/24/2003 2:42:53 PM PDT by LiteKeeper
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To: Hermann the Cherusker
Santa Mary Sopra Minivera dittoes:)
28 posted on 09/25/2003 3:57:22 AM PDT by Catholicguy (Narses to CG: "Your wit, your knowledge and your personal experiences can be of real value here.")
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To: Hermann the Cherusker
smashing post
29 posted on 09/25/2003 3:59:44 AM PDT by Catholicguy (Narses to CG: "Your wit, your knowledge and your personal experiences can be of real value here.")
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To: wideawake
Aristotle's Unmoved Mover was not Zeus the celestial rapist.

LOLOL!!! Quote of the day!

30 posted on 09/25/2003 5:16:54 AM PDT by Claud
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To: Lion in Winter
Here's your Hellenic movement in the flesh.
31 posted on 10/02/2003 7:27:40 AM PDT by MarMema
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To: NYer
Orthodoxy is especially hostile to science. This is who they are attacking in their statement about science.
32 posted on 10/02/2003 7:28:33 AM PDT by MarMema
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To: MarMema
Orthodoxy is hostile to science? Why? Or should I ask?
33 posted on 10/02/2003 10:51:24 AM PDT by Lion in Winter
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To: MarMema; Hermann the Cherusker
This is a HOOT! Thanks for pinging me!

"I find it funny that Christians apparently aren't Gentiles (is the author implying they are all Jews???)" [They're both.]

Could it be we have met the enemy and the enemy is us? Perhaps they doth OPPOSE THEMSELVES?? See here: http://www.blueletterbible.org/tsk_b/2Ti/2/25.html

Note in particular Acts 20:21 Testifying both to the Jews, and also to the Greeks, repentance toward God, and faith toward our Lord Jesus Christ.

WHO led Israel into idolatry? The Tribe of Dan. WHO sold Joseph into slavery? The sons of Bilhah (the bondwoman), one of whom was DAN, and the sons of Zilpah (another bondwoman). [ http://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/Gen/Gen037.html ]. Why did they sell him into slavery? Because he had just told the family that the rest of them would bow down to him. The sceptre belonged to Judah, but the BIRTHRIGHT belonged to Joseph. [ http://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/1Ch/1Ch005.html#1 ]. They were JEALOUS. (Not to even mention the coat of many colors.) WHOSE sons were lumped under the name of 'Hushim' (sons of Dan) because of their sin? DAN's, not REUBEN's (who went up to his father's bed), because Reuben sought to rescue Joseph.

WHO did Jesus come to save? The lost sheep of Israel. Who was the lostest of the lost sheep? DAN, the tribe that had led Israel into idolatry, cutting themselves off from the tribes "forever". What was their response to
Jesus? See here:

Mat 21:33 Hear another parable: There was a certain householder, which planted a vineyard, and hedged it round about, and digged a winepress in it, and built a tower, and let it out to husbandmen, and went into a far country:

Mat 21:34 And when the time of the fruit drew near, he sent his servants to the husbandmen, that they might receive the fruits of it.

Mat 21:35 And the husbandmen took his servants, and beat one, and killed another, and stoned another.

Mat 21:36 Again, he sent other servants more than the first: and they did unto them likewise.

Mat 21:37 But last of all he sent unto them his son, saying, They will reverence my son.

Mat 21:38 But when the husbandmen saw the son, they said among themselves, This is the heir; come, let us kill him, and let us seize on his inheritance. http://www.blueletterbible.org/tsk_b/Mat/21/38.html

Perhaps it's time to let brother Dan in on something. Jesus came to redeem YOU, too! Some of you have recongnized that; in fact, one was the first recorded Christian upon Jesus' death - the Roman centurion! But since you stopped reading the Bible after Deuteronomy, and killed all the prophets, you never knew God. Therefore, you didn't know the Son when He came. Isn't it time to hang up all your nonsensical "wisdom and knowledge", your "laws" that would break a camel's back, and all your silly rituals, and come to the True Knowledge and the True Wisdom and the True Law that is found in our Brother Jesus Christ? Cast away your stony heart, and He will give you one of flesh. The whole world is waiting on you to get with the program. As you led our brethren into idolatry, you can lead them out. (Back up and read the Parable at Matthew 20. http://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/Mat/Mat020.html You'll get your share!) The world will be a whole better place when you do, and the rest of us would appreciate it very much. Thank you.

Your Inheritance: The Best Kept Secret In The World
http://www.ancientmanuscripts.com/books/your_inheritance.htm
The Lost Tribe of Dan http://www.watch.pair.com/dan.html

[ LOL!!! that's my story, and I'm sticking with it.]
34 posted on 10/02/2003 11:24:31 AM PDT by Ethan_Allen ( Gen. 32:24-32 'man'=Jesus http://www.preteristarchive.com/Jesus_is_Israel/index.html)
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To: Lion in Winter
Rationalism
35 posted on 10/02/2003 11:34:11 AM PDT by MarMema
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To: Theodore R.
When the priest was asked for comment, he responded with hostility: "I have only one word to say about them: idolaters."
36 posted on 10/02/2003 11:37:43 AM PDT by MarMema
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To: katnip; FormerLib
"The Bishop said they would have to throw a cross in the lake to cleanse it of us," Buschbeck said.

What a hoot!!

37 posted on 10/02/2003 11:38:42 AM PDT by MarMema
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To: kimmie7; freeparoundtheclock; syriacus
However, the movement has also attracted a small number of more sinister followers; right-wing nationalists who believe their anti-Semitic views are reflected in its rejection of the Judeo-Christian religion.

I don't know.....what do you think?

38 posted on 10/02/2003 11:41:36 AM PDT by MarMema
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To: Skooz; wideawake
. . . I gave my love a baby, and then you see,
My love got very angry and she said to me:
"I didn't mind the cherry without the stone,
I didn't mind the chicken without the bone,
But when you give a baby, there's just one thing:
You ought to give at least an engagement ring!"

. . . bada-bing.

. . . don't blame me, blame this guy.


39 posted on 10/02/2003 12:33:34 PM PDT by AnAmericanMother (. . . Nihil sub sole novum. . .)
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To: redgolum
Like the Druid "religion" in Britain

I think so, too.

40 posted on 10/03/2003 12:36:59 AM PDT by syriacus (Prankin' Al Franken said---My letter to Ashcroft was not a lie...it was a prank. 9/7/03 to H Kurtz)
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