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Charlie Kirk’s Death Exposes The Weakness Of The American Church
The Federalist ^ | September 22, 2025 | Drew White

Posted on 09/29/2025 10:36:34 AM PDT by CondoleezzaProtege

…Shouldn’t the first prominent American in our lifetimes to be martyred for his Christian faith on American soil have been a pastor? A theologian? Someone — anyone — from the church proper?

And yet, it was this 31-year-old “political operative” — a profession easily derided by some holier-than-though seminarians and pastors — that laid down his life for Jesus in such a shocking and gruesome way...

While reading 1 Peter in the New Testament, the answer to that question — why Kirk? — became obvious. The reason is because Kirk was a threat to the enemy — the real enemy. And the broader American church currently is not.

(Excerpt) Read more at thefederalist.com ...


TOPICS: Current Events; History; Ministry/Outreach; Religion & Culture
KEYWORDS: charliekirk; christianity; evangelicals; kirk
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1 posted on 09/29/2025 10:36:39 AM PDT by CondoleezzaProtege
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To: CondoleezzaProtege

It’s true


2 posted on 09/29/2025 10:40:20 AM PDT by ducttape45 (Jeremiah 17:9, "The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?")
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To: CondoleezzaProtege

Like the most people, most churches and clergy are scared to stand up to the leftist culture.
Even conservative churches are often keeping their mouths shut, just not to upset somebody.

Charlie was an exception, and he paid the price!


3 posted on 09/29/2025 10:43:13 AM PDT by AZJeep (sane )
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To: CondoleezzaProtege

Charlie’s views were completely NORMAL. Up until about 25 years ago, 95% of the country shared all of Charlie’s views. Today, these NORMAL views are considered hateful, racist, bigoted and evil.

The Spirit of the Age is indeed demonic, and the churches have done next to nothing to fight it.


4 posted on 09/29/2025 10:46:43 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (Democrats seek power through cheating and assassination. They are sociopaths. They just want power.)
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To: CondoleezzaProtege

The weakness of the formal church, not Christianity.


5 posted on 09/29/2025 10:47:17 AM PDT by Wuli (uire)
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To: AZJeep

I believe that the threat of revoking the tax exempt status of the church makes most of them hesitant to wade into the political/social arena. Which is unconstitutional on it’s face. The founding fathers NEVER meant for the state to have the power to silence the pastors in the churches.


6 posted on 09/29/2025 10:48:52 AM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (No Jesus. No Peace.... Know Jesus. Know peace.)
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To: CondoleezzaProtege

I have been pleasantly surprised that I have seen more young families at my church over the past year. I don’t think it was because of Charlie Kirk but his death highlighted a move back to religion by a number of young people. I hope it holds up and is a sign of a revival. It was depressing seeing churches two-thirds empty and the people who did attend were over 50. The prosperity gospel, “pray for God to pay your mortgage” or “pray for God to open up a good parking space for you” church was spiritually dead.


7 posted on 09/29/2025 10:55:43 AM PDT by Opinionated Blowhard (When the people find that they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic.)
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To: CondoleezzaProtege

I wrote an email to my local Catholic church asking why they didnt lower their flag for Charlie Kirk when everyone else in town did. 2 weeks later I got a reply. It was the janitor’s fault. Typical.


8 posted on 09/29/2025 10:59:58 AM PDT by Wilderness Conservative (Nature is the ultimate conservative)
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To: CondoleezzaProtege

I just watched one of the best podcasts I’ve seen. It was on The Charlie Kirk Show today.

The first hour was an in-depth discussion of revivals throughout the world beginning with the martyrdom of Stephen — what factors triggered them, etc. The second hour was had to do with spiritual warfare, the duties of pastors, etc.


9 posted on 09/29/2025 11:07:07 AM PDT by MayflowerMadam (It's hard not to celebrate the fall of bad people. - Bongino)
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To: AZJeep; Blood of Tyrants
Many "institutional churches" in the U.S. have effectively become arms of the government. The U.S. Catholic Church, for example, is a de facto state church that would be a tiny shell of itself if it weren't for the support it gets through various NGOs and other taxpayer-funded programs.
10 posted on 09/29/2025 11:11:35 AM PDT by Alberta's Child ("Nobody sits a horse like Monte Walsh.")
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To: CondoleezzaProtege

I think a lot of church leaders were envious of Charlie’s influence and fame.


11 posted on 09/29/2025 11:11:48 AM PDT by fwdude (Why is there a "far/radical right," but damned if they'll admit that there is a far/radical left?)
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Well Christianity in the US seems to be falling lately into two camps. Both way far from Christs mission on earth. One is all fire and brimstone Calvinist nonsense, the other is rainbow flag degenerate supporting leftism. Both are dead wrong.


12 posted on 09/29/2025 11:16:16 AM PDT by pburgh01
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To: AZJeep
Even conservative churches are often keeping their mouths shut, just not to upset somebody.

I once attended what can be called a "mega church," with over 2,000 members in my city. It was a non-denom Bible church that was purportedly conservative.

When the sodomites began attacking our city over a police bar check at a gay bar misconstrued as a "crackdown" on gays, the City council was forced to address some issues of gay supremacy, including a non-discrimination ordinance for "transgenders" which was far-reaching.

Dozens signed up to speak at the Council meeting, which went well after 2:00 am. Speakers with at least 10 co-signers could have at least 15 minutes to address the council. My church, nor any of their representatives, were anywhere to be found to combat this insanity. I left shortly afterwards.

13 posted on 09/29/2025 11:17:05 AM PDT by fwdude (Why is there a "far/radical right," but damned if they'll admit that there is a far/radical left?)
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To: CondoleezzaProtege

Big Religion has accepted billions of taxpayer money from Deep State over the decades.

Big Religion now serves Deep State and mammon.


14 posted on 09/29/2025 11:17:14 AM PDT by mewzilla (Swing away, Mr. President, swing away! 🇺🇸 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿)
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To: pburgh01
Other than the Calvinism, I don't see anything wrong with the first approach. We don't have ENOUGH of the Jonathan Edwards "Sinners-in-the-Hands-of-an-Angry-God" preaching, not anywhere near enough. As a result, the worst of sinners end up thinking that they really aren't THAT bad. Just need a tune-up.

"Jesus loves you," they are told profusely up front. They reply, "well, so do I! Jesus and I are on the same page!!"

15 posted on 09/29/2025 11:24:28 AM PDT by fwdude (Why is there a "far/radical right," but damned if they'll admit that there is a far/radical left?)
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To: ClearCase_guy
Charlie’s views were completely NORMAL. Up until about 25 years ago...

Bingo. That's what I always ask leftists: "Who moved? Not us."

A solid majority of Democrats passed the Defense of Marriage Act, and it was signed into law by a Democratic president a little over 25 years ago.

16 posted on 09/29/2025 11:28:15 AM PDT by fwdude (Why is there a "far/radical right," but damned if they'll admit that there is a far/radical left?)
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To: pburgh01; fwdude
Well Christianity in the US seems to be falling lately into two camps. Both way far from Christs mission on earth. One is all fire and brimstone Calvinist nonsense, the other is rainbow flag degenerate supporting leftism. Both are dead wrong.

I respectfully disagree with the churches being too into condemnation. At least from what I see in my neck of the woods in Alabama. The "fire and brimstone" (not all of it coming from Calvinist churches, sometimes it's from Armenian churches) talk is stated, but not usually front and center and not usually repeated frequently. IMHO it's a healthy balance of every now and then reminding us that there's a Hell, while also being a welcome mat for all sinners to come to now Jesus and learn a life of repentance.

But your statement about some churches being about "rainbow flag degenerate supporting leftism" is spot on. And fortunately they're hemorrhaging members. Or in the case of the United Methodists, losing entire local churches.

17 posted on 09/29/2025 11:45:45 AM PDT by Tell It Right (1 Thessalonians 5:21 -- Put everything to the test, hold fast to that which is true.)
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To: CondoleezzaProtege

“The reason is because Kirk was a threat to the enemy — the real enemy. And the broader American church currently is not.”

False pretense
Is the writer looking for shootings at churches?!
Wacky article


18 posted on 09/29/2025 11:48:03 AM PDT by HereInTheHeartland (“I don't really care, Margaret.””)
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To: CondoleezzaProtege

Stupid article.

Charlie Kirk was a martyr. He preached freedom through Jesus.

He wasn’t a “political operative.” That’s an ignorant allegation.


19 posted on 09/29/2025 12:03:16 PM PDT by Theo (FReeping since 1997 ... drain the swamp.)
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To: CondoleezzaProtege

Stupid article.

Charlie Kirk was a martyr. He preached freedom through Jesus.

He wasn’t a “political operative.” That’s an ignorant allegation.


20 posted on 09/29/2025 12:03:22 PM PDT by Theo (FReeping since 1997 ... drain the swamp.)
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