Posted on 08/16/2023 6:39:10 AM PDT by zucchini bob
(2 Peter 1:20) Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. (Isaiah 28:10) For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little: (Isaiah 28:13) But the word of the LORD was unto them precept upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little; that they might go, and fall backward, and be broken, and snared, and taken.
Mark; are you talking to yourself again?
Now you are dissing the FIRST pope!!
I'm beginning to think you ain't a Catholic at all; but a provocateur!!
Wifey sends me to the shower when ‘Essence of Me’ is too rancid!
Yes, slandering.
In post 943 where you said to Old Yeller....
“You say you were “raised in the Roman Catholic “Religion”...
But in gonna call bs on that.
While your not as obvious as other “false-flag” I “used to be” Catholic posers on FR...”
You essentially called us liars for telling you our background. It’s not BS nor *false flag*
Yes I was raised as a Roman Catholic, had priests in my family, and know what I saw and heard from my large Catholic family and Catholic co-workers and friends. WNY is very heavily Catholic and it is a safe bet when you meet anyone there that they are Catholic. It’s just about a given. The place is jam packed with Catholic churches.
If you have a problem with what I relate about my experience growing up as a Catholic, your problem is with Catholicism as it exists there, not with me who experienced it.
And I’ve noticed that many of the other former Catholics here on FR, who grew up in other areas of the country, relate much the same experiences.
Courtesy pinging some other former RC’s as this relates to them as well and I know they have related similar experiences even though I never knew any of them before FR. They grew up in different parishes than I.
So, no, not “bs” or ‘”false-flag” I “used to be” Catholic posers on FR...”’
From your Mona Lisa analogy....
The question then arises, they why do you add to it with writings from the early church fathers, the CCC, and *sacred tradition*????
And why do Catholics says Scripture alone is not enough, not adequate that those things need to be added to it?
I have to agree.
Seems like most Catholics are arguing against what they mean by sola Scriptura, or what they want us to mean about it, as if that’s what WE mean by it.
They set up a straw man to knock down and then do a victory dance as if they accomplished something.
I’m not the one with little understanding of ss.
I know what it means and how we use it.
Catholics have their own definition that they rail against which has nothing to do with reality.
Why?
Do you think Catholics get more Scripture exposure from maybe attending mass once a week, if they actually do attend that much, and hears it read than someone who actually sits down and reads the Bible and studies it for themselves?
Then there's this......
James 1:22-25 But be doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving yourselves. For if anyone is a hearer of the word and not a doer, he is like a man who looks intently at his natural face in a mirror. For he looks at himself and goes away and at once forgets what he was like. But the one who looks into the perfect law, the law of liberty, and perseveres, being no hearer who forgets but a doer who acts, he will be blessed in his doing.
Exactly what good is hearing the word only if you're not going to incorporate it into your life? Someone can hear God's word and brag about how much of it they get from hearing it in church, but so what? What good is it if they don't DO it?
I have seen that.
I’d like to see a Catholic do is actually defend it.
Interesting.
So if a Catholic priest won’t forgive someone else’s sin, then his aren’t forgiven either.
Pretty much, yes.
I absolutely, totally agree with that, but which one is which?
——>James 1:22-25 But be doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving yourselves. For if anyone is a hearer of the word and not a doer, he is like a man who looks intently at his natural face in a mirror. For he looks at himself and goes away and at once forgets what he was like. But the one who looks into the perfect law, the law of liberty, and perseveres, being no hearer who forgets but a doer who acts, he will be blessed in his doing.
——>Exactly what good is hearing the word only if you’re not going to incorporate it into your life? Someone can hear God’s word and brag about how much of it they get from hearing it in church, but so what? What good is it if they don’t DO it?
You do realize, do you not, that the “Royal Law” and the “Law of Liberty” is God’s 10 commandment law? You also realize that it is the BASIS of God’s Judgment? Oops, I forgot, you have already been judged, at the microsecond of Grace. God’s law isn’t binding on you and your OSAS/OJAJ friends. My bad.
But for everyone else...
James 2:
8If ye fulfil the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself, ye do well: 9But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors. 10For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all. 11For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law. 12So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty. 13For he shall have judgment without mercy, that hath shewed no mercy; and mercy rejoiceth against judgment.
“The apostle cites two of the Ten Commandments as examples, although any other two would have been equally illustrative. The Lord Himself cited these same two commandments in the Sermon on the Mount, where He shows that they may be violated in the heart as well as by an overt act (see Matt. 5:21–28). With this illustration James shows that the keeping of one part of the law does not cancel the violation of another part. No earthly judge will pardon the violation of one law simply because the culprit has kept many other laws. Thus, the church members who excused their deference to the rich as a carrying out of the law of love are reminded that this practice does not cancel their injustices to the poor. The unity of genuine Christian love is shattered.” SDA Bible Commentary
The apostle James calls the Ten Commandments “the royal law,” meaning it came from a King and is worthy of His Kingdom (James 2:8-12).
God has never done away with His Ten Commandments, and they never shall be done away. They will be lived by all those given eternal life forever. They will also be the basic law of those possessing mortal life when Jesus returns. From God’s commandments, all laws governing every aspect of a moral life will be drawn and applied in their spirit. Their standards will be the rule of law against which people’s lives will be guided and judged.
What the Bible says about Royal Law
https://www.bibletools.org/index.cfm/fuseaction/Topical.show/RTD/CGG/ID/4297/Royal-Law.htm#:~:text=The%20apostle%20James%20calls%20the%20Ten%20Commandments%20%22the,lived%20by%20all%20those%20given%20eternal%20life%20forever.
I do NOT want to tell them what their traditions mean; I want them to LISt them!
What’s the problem with that??
I always do that when I want an intelligent conversation.
Their standards will be the rule of law against which people’s lives will be guided and judged.
I see...
25 When they found him on the other side of the lake, they asked him, “Rabbi, when did you get here?”
26 Jesus answered, “Very truly I tell you, you are looking for me, not because you saw the signs I performed but because you ate the loaves and had your fill. 27 Do not work for food that spoils, but for food that endures to eternal life, which the Son of Man will give you. For on him God the Father has placed his seal of approval.”
28 Then they asked him, “What must we do to do the works God requires?” (direct question)
29 Jesus answered, “The work of God is this: to believe in the one he has sent.” (direct answer)
30 So they asked him, “What sign then will you give that we may see it and believe you? What will you do? 31 Our ancestors ate the manna in the wilderness; as it is written: ‘He gave them bread from heaven to eat.’[c]”
32 Jesus said to them, “Very truly I tell you, it is not Moses who has given you the bread from heaven, but it is my Father who gives you the true bread from heaven. 33 For the bread of God is the bread that comes down from heaven and gives life to the world.”
34 “Sir,” they said, “always give us this bread.”
35 Then Jesus declared, “I am the bread of life. Whoever comes to me will never go hungry, and whoever believes in me will never be thirsty. 36 But as I told you, you have seen me and still you do not believe. 37 All those the Father gives me will come to me, and whoever comes to me I will never drive away. 38 For I have come down from heaven not to do my will but to do the will of him who sent me. 39 And this is the will of him who sent me, that I shall lose none of all those he has given me, but raise them up at the last day. 40 For my Father’s will is that everyone who looks to the Son and believes in him shall have eternal life, and I will raise them up at the last day.”
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