Posted on 02/06/2023 2:35:05 AM PST by spirited irish
In the classic work, “Earth’s Earliest Ages” English theologian G.H. Pember (1837-1910) examines the role of satanic forces in the first destruction of earth under God’s judgment and compares them to the explosion of open contact with evil spirits, ancient Egyptian Hermetic magic, Theosophy, Buddhism, reincarnation, karma, the Mystery religion of Babylon, astrology and mesmeric healings sweeping across Christendom.
It was during the Renaissance that many influential Christians at the highest levels of Church and society had returned to the occult Wisdom Teachings that originated on the plains of Shinar then traveled to ancient Egypt with Hermes Trismegistus.
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Which historical facts? Cahn rambled on-and-on about Isaiah 9:10-11, assigning it to the United States, and mischaracterizing it as the “Isaiah 9:10 effect,” while ignoring the context of the scripture itself, which reads:
_”6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace. 7 Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of the Lord of hosts will perform this. 8 The Lord sent a word into Jacob, and it hath lighted upon Israel. 9 And all the people shall know, even Ephraim and the inhabitant of Samaria, that say in the pride and stoutness of heart, 10 The bricks are fallen down, but we will build with hewn stones: the sycomores are cut down, but we will change them into cedars. 11 Therefore the Lord shall set up the adversaries of Rezin against him, and join his enemies together; 12 The Syrians before, and the Philistines behind; and they shall devour Israel with open mouth. For all this his anger is not turned away, but his hand is stretched out still.” — Isa 9:6-12 KJV_
We are fresh out of Philistines; King Rezin lived in the 8th-century BC; and the Lord became ruler of the heaven and earth after his crucifixion and before his ascension to the right hand of the Father:
_”And Jesus came and spake unto [the disciples,] saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.” — Mat 28:18 KJV_
_”Who is gone into heaven, and is on the right hand of God; angels and authorities and powers being made subject unto him.” — 1Pet 3:22 KJV_
_And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.” — Col 2:15 KJV_
Prior to his resurrection, Satan ruled all nations:
_”And the devil, taking him up into an high mountain, shewed unto him all the kingdoms of the world in a moment of time. And the devil said unto him, All this power will I give thee, and the glory of them: for that is delivered unto me; and to whomsoever I will I give it.” — Luk 4:5-6 KJV_
The return of control to God over all nations was foretold in this verse of Psalm 82. The Greek word for “arise” can be translated as “resurrect thyself.”
_”Arise, O God, judge the earth: for thou shalt inherit all nations.” — Ps 82:8 KJV_
After his ascension, Jesus reigned, and will continue to reign until all enemies are under his feet:
_”But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God; From henceforth expecting till his enemies be made his footstool.” — Heb 10:12-13 KJV_
_”For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet. The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.” — 1Cor 15:25-26 KJV_
The last enemy, death, is destroyed at the great throne judgment:
_”And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.” — Rev 20:14 KJV_
Mr. Kalamata
That didn’t answer the question. What specifically did he predict/prophesy that has not come true?
The Presidential Inaugural Prayer Breakfast Guest Speaker Rabbi Jonathan Cahn... Jan 21, 2013 — (with obama glaring daggers at Cahn)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=voDD85JcR6I
Jonathan Cahn’s Full Message - Presidential Inaugural Prayer Breakfast 2017 - Trump Inauguration
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=do-Fxp7Gs9s
Jonathan Cahn’s Prophetic Message to Joe Biden (Presidential Inauguration 2021)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hrCtoQUXnmc
Jonathan Cahn’s Prophetic Message II to Joe Biden (The White House Apostasy)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MqCdG-TEtvI
Also, you are wrong about your representation of God and the US. in post 38.
There you said “He also claimed that God made a covenant with the United States, which is pure nonsense”
Jonathan Cahn NEVER made that claim. He recognized that America was dedicated to God by its founders, but NEVER claimed God made a covenant with the US. So you are completely wrong on that.
If you have to misrepresent what someone has to say to have any grounds to accuse them of something, then you have no case at all.
Besides, his messages, if you care to listen to them, are constantly calling for repentance and turning back to God, with the legitimate warning that if people don’t, they are bringing judgment on themselves.
Why is that a problem for you?
Like many people we know, who believe this and that of the Bible, but not the “harsh” treatment homosexuals get because God is love right?
I know more than a few people who think this way.
As you say:
“People reject Scripture at their own risk”.
I personally believe such people who cherry pick these verses are damned since they actually wink and nod at sodomy.
Thanks for the ping.
Folks that think like that are taking the worst gamble ever and will lose.
Yep. Heartbreaking.
First, he claims to have the ability to interpret biblical prophecy, and to reveal mysteries from the Old Testament. Only the Apostles (and Christ) had that power.
In his first book, he wrote:
"The word is from the Bible…from the Book of Isaiah…the ninth chapter… Isaiah 9:10… It's a very obscure verse. Even most of those who read the Bible every day would have little idea it even existed. … The prophecy, in its context, concerned ancient Israel. But now, as a sign, it concerns America… It's the sign of a nation that once knew God but then fell away, a sign that America is now the nation in danger of judgment…and now given warning and the call to return." [Cahn, Jonathan, "The Harbinger: The Ancient Mystery That Holds the Secret of America's Future." 2012, Chap.6]
God said he knew only Israel:
"You only [Israel] have I known of all the families of the earth: therefore I will punish you for all your iniquities." -- Amos 3:2 KJV
In his 2nd book, Cahn wrote:
"Those who founded America not only foretold its future blessings—but also gave warning. It was this: if America ever turned away from God, then the same judgments that fell upon ancient Israel would fall upon America. The appearance of the same harbingers in America that had once appeared in the last days of ancient Israel matches their prophecies." [Cahn, Jonathan, "The Mystery of the Shemitah." FrontLine, 2014, Chap.7]
There is no scripture that supports such a claim. Yet, Cahn correlates his claim of "harbingers" with 9/11:
"One other mystery revealed in The Harbinger warranting mention here is that of the mystery ground. Embedded in America's foundation is a prophetic warning. The warning was given on America's first day as a nation. It concerns what will happen if America should ever turn away from God. Linked to that same day and that warning is a ground of earth—America's ground of consecration. It is here the nation was dedicated to God at its birth. It is this ground which joins together ancient Israel, 9/11, and a prophetic warning to America for this hour." [Ibid. Chap.3]
He also made this claim:
"[W]e must distinguish between the observance of the Shemitah and the Shemitah as a prophetic sign. Only Israel was compelled to keep the Shemitah as an observance. As an observance, the Shemitah applies to one nation. But as a prophetic sign, it may apply to any nation." [Ibid. Chap.9]
In Chapter 11 he wrote:
"We have just looked at the five major peaks in modern stock market history or the five major turning points and collapses in the financial world. Is there anything striking about the resulting picture? When do the greatest peaks and key turning points of modern stock market history take place? • The first takes place in 1973. • The second takes place in 1980. •The third takes place in 1987. • The fourth takes place in 2000. • And the fifth takes place in 2007. What is the relationship of one peak to the next? The math is, of course, simple, but for the sake of clarity, here it is: • The first and second peaks and turning points, of 1973 and 1980—a cycle of seven years • The second and third peaks, of 1980 and 1987—a cycle of seven years • The fourth and fifth peaks, of 2000 and 2007—a cycle of seven years" [Ibid. Chap.11]
In reality, 1973 was 8 years into a long bear market that bottomed in 1982. The year 1987 was 5 years into a major bull market that peaked in 1999, had a minor correction which bottomed in Sept 2002, recovered to the 1999 peak by Aug 2007, had a substantial fall (to about half its value) bottoming in Aug 2009, recovered quickly to its previous high by Oct 2013, and resumed the bull market climb.
It is all nonsense – false teaching.
>>Also, you are wrong about your representation of God and the US. in post 38. There you said “He also claimed that God made a covenant with the United States, which is pure nonsense." Jonathan Cahn NEVER made that claim. He recognized that America was dedicated to God by its founders, but NEVER claimed God made a covenant with the US. So you are completely wrong on that."<<
I will agree that virtually everything he wrote is based on innuendo, when he is not pulling "facts" out of thin air; but Cahn claimed the Shemitah is a sign of a nation's covenant with God, and later he linked America to the Biblical Shemitah in a series of stock market crashes (and, of course, 9/11.)
"The Shemitah was a sign of the nation's covenant with God. Everything they had, the land and all its blessings, was dependent on that covenant and their relationship with God. It was all entrusted to them, but it belonged to God." [Ibid. Chap.5]
"The Shemitah ended on September 17, 2001. It would thus contain the calamity of 9/11 and its traumatic impact on the American and global financial realms." [Ibid. Chap.11]
>>If you have to misrepresent what someone has to say to have any grounds to accuse them of something, then you have no case at all.<<
I agree. I always take special care before accusing someone of being a charlatan.
>>Besides, his messages, if you care to listen to them, are constantly calling for repentance and turning back to God, with the legitimate warning that if people don’t, they are bringing judgment on themselves. Why is that a problem for you?<<
There is nothing wrong with that as long as one stick to God's Word and does not pretend to have received some special revelation from God that cannot be found anywhere in the scripture.
Mr. Kalamata
And you are doing the exact same thing by claiming he's wrong with his interpretation.
Don't be a hypocrite and allow for yourself what you condemn in others.
And that STILL didn't answer then question. That is not a prophecy that he prophesied that did not come to pass.
He's recognizing parallels that are pretty obvious to anyone who pays attention. That is NOT claiming special revelation from God.
There are spiritual laws and principles that God has established that kick in when obeyed or violated. Recognizing them as having happened and seeing the same principles play out again today is NOT prophecy.
NO matter how much you don't like him and want to read into what he said more than he said, you still have not proved what you claim, that he made prophecies that have not come to pass and that he is a false prophet.
You are free to not like what he said all you want but you are wrong to smear him and falsely accuse him of things he never said or did.
Yes, but the point is that Christianity never was, like the Mohammaden religion, a religion of “the book” — it is a religion of “The Word” i.e. of Jesus Christ.
>>And you are doing the exact same thing by claiming he's wrong with his interpretation. Don't be a hypocrite and allow for yourself what you condemn in others.<<
According to your illogic, anyone can claim to be a prophet and/or have received special revelations, and we should not question them. Christians are instructed by Christ and the Apostles to abide by the Gospel, and yet you are judging me rather than him? You are the hypocrite.
>>And that STILL didn't answer then question. That is not a prophecy that he prophesied that did not come to pass.<<
Did you bother to read my comments? Cahn predicted America is in danger of judgment. That may be true, or not true; but he doesn't know our nation's destiny, nor does America's sins match the sins of Israel who violated the the Torah, as he pretends.
Christians are not under the Torah (nor is anyone else.) Jesus Christ fulfilled the Law and the Old Testament prophecies, so we are under the New Covenant in which God writes his law in the hearts of the faithful.
The financial crisis of 2015-2016 never materialized, so his claim of 7-year cycles in the stock market turned out to be false prophecy. Further, he cherry-picked past failures, fudged some dates, and claimed there is a pattern, when there is none.
>>He's recognizing parallels that are pretty obvious to anyone who pays attention. That is NOT claiming special revelation from God.<<
There is nothing obvious about anything Cahn said. If anything, he is a Judaizer
>>There are spiritual laws and principles that God has established that kick in when obeyed or violated. Recognizing them as having happened and seeing the same principles play out again today is NOT prophecy.<<
Not true. The commandment of the Lord is that we love our neighbors as ourselves. We are judged as individuals, not as a nation.
>>NO matter how much you don't like him and want to read into what he said more than he said, you still have not proved what you claim, that he made prophecies that have not come to pass and that he is a false prophet.<<
Of course I did. You are too blind to see it.
>>You are free to not like what he said all you want but you are wrong to smear him and falsely accuse him of things he never said or did.<<
I did not smear him. He pretends to have received special revelation, and I exposed him as a charlatan. Big difference!
Believe the Gospel.
Mr. Kalamata
You’re judging him on false accusations, that is that you CLAIM he said God made a covenant with the US, which he never did.
You lost all credibility with your false representation of his position because anyone can check out what he’s said and see that you are wrong.
You want to believe the worst in him and will hear what you want him to have said to support it.
Have at it, but if you’re going to call someone a hypocrite for judging others after you judged him, look in the mirror.
Nonsense. I quoted the evidence in a previous post, but you were not paying attention. In his second book, Cahn suggested a covenant with America, as follows:
"Those who founded America not only foretold its future blessings—but also gave warning. It was this: if America ever turned away from God, then the same judgments that fell upon ancient Israel would fall upon America. The appearance of the same harbingers in America that had once appeared in the last days of ancient Israel matches their prophecies." [Cahn, Jonathan, "The Mystery of the Shemitah." FrontLine, 2014, Chap.7]
"One other mystery revealed in The Harbinger warranting mention here is that of the mystery ground. Embedded in America's foundation is a prophetic warning.The warning was given on America's first day as a nation. It concerns what will happen if America should ever turn away from God. Linked to that same day and that warning is a ground of earth—America's ground of consecration. It is here the nation was dedicated to God at its birth. It is this ground which joins together ancient Israel, 9/11, and a prophetic warning to America for this hour." [Ibid. Chap.3]
There is no scripture that supports the claim that God is in a covenantal relationship with America; so Cahn (who is not stupid) relied mostly on innuendo. But, then, either by accident or design, I cannot tell, he wrote this:
"The Shemitah was a sign of the nation's covenant with God. Everything they had, the land and all its blessings, was dependent on that covenant and their relationship with God. It was all entrusted to them, but it belonged to God." [Ibid. Chap.5]
So, according to Cahn, the Shemitah was the sign that the nation of Israel had a covenant with God. Later in the book, Cahn specifically linked the sign of the Shemitah with America:
"Why would the sign of the Shemitah, an ancient portent of judgment, be given to America in the first place? The answer lies in a metamorphosis that began thousands of years before America was born." [Ibid. Chap.7]
"The Shemitah comes once every seven years. It just so happens that the first Shemitah of the new millennium fell in the period of 2000–2001, the years of the Dot-Com Crash, a deepening recession, the attack of 9/11, and one of the greatest stock market day crashes in history. The Shemitah year took place entirely within the overall financial and economic collapse. Its overlap with the crash of 2000–2001 is thus 100 percent." [Ibid. Chap.10]
He made many associations of the Shemitah (Sabbatical Year) sign with America. In doing so, Cahn is insinuating God has a covenant with America, like his first covenant with Israel.
>>You want to believe the worst in him and will hear what you want him to have said to support it.<<
Why would I want to do that? I do not hate him, nor idolize him. I would rather he repent and refrain from deceiving the naïve into believing that he has received revelations from God. That said, I am frequently reminded of this passage when reading Cahn's books:
"For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables." -- 2Tim 4:3-4 KJV
>>Have at it, but if you’re going to call someone a hypocrite for judging others after you judged him, look in the mirror.<<
You were the first to mention "hypocrite" when you insinuated I was being a hypocrite. Frankly, your self-righteousness is nauseating.
Mr. Kalamata
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