True to form, the prescription is unscriptural while the claim is just another unsubstantiated claim.
Posted on 04/14/2022 3:25:47 PM PDT by Oakleaf
ABSTRACT: Jesus of Nazareth underwent Jewish and Roman trials, was flogged, and was sentenced to death by crucifixion. The scourging produced deep stripelike lacerations and appreciable blood loss, and it probably set the stage for hypovolemic shock as evidenced by the fact that Jesus was too weakened to carry the crossbar (patibulum) to Golgotha. At the site of crucifixion his wrists were nailed to the patibulum, and after the patibulum was lifted onto the upright post, (stipes) his feet were nailed to the stipes. The major pathophysiologic effect of crucifixion was an interference with normal respirations. Accordingly, death resulted primarily from hypovolemic shock and exhaustion asphyxia. Jesus’ death was ensured by the thrust of a soldier’s spear into his side. Modern medical interpretation of the historical evidence indicates that that Jesus was dead when taken down from the cross. (JAMA 1986; 255:1455-1463)
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His whole journey of becoming flesh to dwell among us was to show humanity the path to eternal life. There are no unanswered questions remaining. Follow the path of Jesus and attain His most important gift of eternal life.
My four year old son went into his RCC grandmother's (my mother) home and asked the obvious question: "Granma, why is YOUR Jesus still on the Cross?"
I'm so glad I broke out of that religion.
Amen!
The depravity Insee around us in the world today sickens and disgusts me.
The horrific sins committed by people upon each other are what Christ bore when He died.
It’s unfathomable.
Yes, Jesus Christ allows everyone to believe in Him or not, to believe in His word or not and to accept his catholic church and the Sacraments that he gave us to help us on the path to salvation.
I would rather accept the words of a saint, than the personal opinions of someone that rejects the Catholic faith.
This was not added to the Bible, but was told and passed down from the 1300’s. Where does it say that all of God’s Truth is in the Bible?
So you don’t believe that Jesus died so that Jesus would pay the debt for our sins. God was in Christ reconciling the world to himself. God showed his love for us in his death and suffering.
Try to fully understand the significance of his death and suffering.
Your “So you don’t believe…” tactic is sooo stupid.
What a lame poster you prove yourself to be
Adsumpin’ NEW.
It helps us not to take his suffering for granted.
Sloppy Agape and all that.
True to form, the prescription is unscriptural while the claim is just another unsubstantiated claim.
Oh, I understand and am deeply grateful that he took my sins, but if he had not risen he wouldn’t be God. The resurrection, ascension, and His return are all necessary.
The physical suffering Christ experienced on the cross was typical of a Roman execution.
The physical suffering Christ experienced was far overshadowed by His spiritual suffering of separation from his Father, which He had never experienced before in all of eternity.
No one is downplaying his death. Anyone who has the slightest understanding of “justification!”, understands the weight of his suffering. My sins and yours.
He rose from the grave and conquered sin and death. That’s the power that gives US life! He led the captives out of captivity.
Why do Roman Catholics leave Jesus Christ on the cross? It gives the appearance that they think his death is the end of the story.
Amen to that!
God bless you all on this most Holy season.
Out of the mouths of babes ...
Well done. What a beautiful testimony to how you're raising your son.
Your comment: “but if he had not risen he wouldn’t be God”
I disagree with your comment.
Jesus was always God and he proved it by His word, his actions and His teachings.
The Resurrection proved that God and that humanity had eternal life and that He conquered death.
Yes His resurrection helped many believe in Jesus and follow Him, but His death and suffering opened up Heaven for the righteous that had died before His death and for those that died after His death to join Him in eternal life.
You seem to misunderstand.
Something called gratitude.
Seeing a crucifix above the altar every week really drives home the point (no pun) that “this is My Body.”
(see 1 Cor 11:29)
Could you knowingly volunteer for that torture?
Now add to it the fact He is innocent.
Now add to that he left Heaven and was made man to do so.
If you focus on Easter alone, it gives the appearance that you forget the price paid to ransom us.
They’re both necessary for the believer.
I see your point, but what I meant was that if He were not God he could not have risen. If he were not fully God and fully human, he could not paid the price for our sins.
I don’t see ANYone taking Jesus’ suffering “for granted.”
Why do you think so highly of your “straw man arguments”?
Another example: “So you don’t believe that Jesus died so that Jesus would pay the debt for our sins.”
“No one is downplaying his death. Anyone who has the slightest understanding of “justification!”, understands the weight of his suffering. My sins and yours.“
RIF
Your comment: “I don’t see ANYone taking Jesus’ suffering “for granted.”
I do. The protestant belief “once saved, always saved” is not what Jesus taught.
“My four year old son went into his RCC grandmother’s (my mother) home and asked the obvious question: “Granma, why is YOUR Jesus still on the Cross?””
From a former protestant (catholic answers)
https://www.catholic.com/magazine/print-edition/hope-of-the-human-race-victory-over-satan-cleansing-of-sin-the-open-door-to
It wasn’t until I found myself wanting a crucifix that I felt force of Protestantism’s opposition to this particular sign.
What I see is not a dead Jesus who offends me but a vivid reminder of the very essence of salvation—my own sinfulness that made such an extreme sacrifice necessary and the incomprehensible love of God incarnate laying down his life for me. In the crucifix, I see the hope of the human race, victory over Satan, the cleansing of sin, and the open door to heaven. I see a school of love, humility, forgiveness of our enemies, and all the other virtues. “Consider Jesus on the cross as you would a devout book worthy of your unceasing study and by which you may learn the practice of the most heroic virtues” (Dom Lorenzo Scupoli, The Spiritual Combat, 155–156).
When I look at Christ crucified, I don’t see weakness and defeat but “the power of God and the wisdom of God” (1 Cor. 1: 23–24)—the holy wisdom of divine love. And I hear “Love one another as I have loved you” (John 15:12).
The crucifix also tells us that suffering is not something to fear as though it could rob us of the fullness of Christian life. Because Jesus made suffering a servant in the cause of redemption, if received with faith, suffering can unite us to him in a way few things can. Only Jesus crucified can make sense of and give purpose to human suffering.
And what does it stir in a heart that loves Jesus to look upon the crucifix? Faith and confidence to trust in such a God as this. Hope—in the knowledge that salvation is firmly founded on this one perfect sacrifice. And love—a desire to return love for love. Giorgio Tiepolo writes, “Anyone who does not fall in love with God by looking at Jesus dead upon the cross will never fall in love” (The Practice of the Love of Jesus Christ, 11).
The idea that Jesus suffered so we don’t have to is not biblical. Peter says, “For to this [suffering] you have been called, because Christ also suffered for you, leaving you an example that you should follow in his steps” (1 Peter 2:21). And our Lord himself tells us, “Whoever does not bear his own cross and come after me cannot be my disciple” (Luke 14:27). Not only are we called to suffer like Jesus, i.e., in imitation of him, but we are called to suffer with Jesus, to participate in the one redeeming sacrifice of Calvary.
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