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To: kinsman redeemer; grey_whiskers

Your comment: “I don’t see ANYone taking Jesus’ suffering “for granted.”

I do. The protestant belief “once saved, always saved” is not what Jesus taught.

“My four year old son went into his RCC grandmother’s (my mother) home and asked the obvious question: “Granma, why is YOUR Jesus still on the Cross?””

From a former protestant (catholic answers)
https://www.catholic.com/magazine/print-edition/hope-of-the-human-race-victory-over-satan-cleansing-of-sin-the-open-door-to

It wasn’t until I found myself wanting a crucifix that I felt force of Protestantism’s opposition to this particular sign.

What I see is not a dead Jesus who offends me but a vivid reminder of the very essence of salvation—my own sinfulness that made such an extreme sacrifice necessary and the incomprehensible love of God incarnate laying down his life for me. In the crucifix, I see the hope of the human race, victory over Satan, the cleansing of sin, and the open door to heaven. I see a school of love, humility, forgiveness of our enemies, and all the other virtues. “Consider Jesus on the cross as you would a devout book worthy of your unceasing study and by which you may learn the practice of the most heroic virtues” (Dom Lorenzo Scupoli, The Spiritual Combat, 155–156).

When I look at Christ crucified, I don’t see weakness and defeat but “the power of God and the wisdom of God” (1 Cor. 1: 23–24)—the holy wisdom of divine love. And I hear “Love one another as I have loved you” (John 15:12).

The crucifix also tells us that suffering is not something to fear as though it could rob us of the fullness of Christian life. Because Jesus made suffering a servant in the cause of redemption, if received with faith, suffering can unite us to him in a way few things can. Only Jesus crucified can make sense of and give purpose to human suffering.

And what does it stir in a heart that loves Jesus to look upon the crucifix? Faith and confidence to trust in such a God as this. Hope—in the knowledge that salvation is firmly founded on this one perfect sacrifice. And love—a desire to return love for love. Giorgio Tiepolo writes, “Anyone who does not fall in love with God by looking at Jesus dead upon the cross will never fall in love” (The Practice of the Love of Jesus Christ, 11).

The idea that Jesus suffered so we don’t have to is not biblical. Peter says, “For to this [suffering] you have been called, because Christ also suffered for you, leaving you an example that you should follow in his steps” (1 Peter 2:21). And our Lord himself tells us, “Whoever does not bear his own cross and come after me cannot be my disciple” (Luke 14:27). Not only are we called to suffer like Jesus, i.e., in imitation of him, but we are called to suffer with Jesus, to participate in the one redeeming sacrifice of Calvary.


40 posted on 04/15/2022 7:26:54 AM PDT by ADSUM ( )
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To: ADSUM

One other point.

1 Peter 4.

As well as “Let him deny himself, take up his cross, and follow Me.”
Which, you know, was said BEFORE the crucifixion. Shows that He knew what was coming.


42 posted on 04/15/2022 8:34:41 AM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change with out notice.)
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To: ADSUM

TLDR


43 posted on 04/15/2022 1:16:14 PM PDT by kinsman redeemer (The real enemy seeks to devour what is good. )
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To: ADSUM
Your comment: “I don’t see ANYone taking Jesus’ suffering “for granted.”

I do. The protestant belief “once saved, always saved” is not what Jesus taught.

What I see here is an apple and an orange.

59 posted on 04/15/2022 3:02:55 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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