Catholics Don't Believe You Can Earn Your Way to Heaven

Tradition | 03-06-2022 | CharlesOconnell

[af_vet_1981]

Don’t blame me for trusting that they’re being truthful about what they believe.



Whoever wrote this carnal unholy insult should be ashamed, if that person had an unseared conscience.

[MurphsLaw]

Do you have Free Will?

[MurphsLaw]

C'mon man... cut a brother some slack here... This no name Thief is special !

29 For those whom he foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the image of his Son, in order that he might be the first-born among many brethren.
30 And those whom he predestined he also called; and those whom he called he also justified; and those whom he justified he also glorified.

From Henry:

4. Whom he justified, them he also glorified.
The power of corruption being broken in effectual calling, and the guilt of sin removed in justification, nothing can come between that soul and glory.
This encourages our faith and hope; for, as for God, his way, his work, is perfect.
The apostle speaks as one amazed, and swallowed up in admiration, wondering at the height and depth, and length and breadth, of the love of Christ, which passeth knowledge.
The more we know of other things, the less we wonder; but the further we are led into gospel mysteries,the more we are affected by them.
While God is for us, and we keep in his love, we may with holy boldness defy all the powers of darkness.

[MHGinTN]

Oh yes, that thief is very special. God used him to make certification of Jesus's function and authority! Paradise at that time was not Heaven. There were two sides to where Jesus and the thief went. The side Jesus went to was called then 'The Bosom of Abraham.' The thief receive the Grace of God in Christ right there on that hill while being crucified for his crimes.

Were his crimes sins? I don't doubt that. We are given with this scene a man of sin being cleansed of his sins by The Word of The Lord! THAT IS special indeed. However, you make a few assertions that are not accurate but rather are traditions of your religion.

As stated, the assigning of glorified to the thief in that scene is erroneous. Even the use of sanctification is erroneous since sanctification is a process EVER born again member of the Body of Christ undergo in their life following their spirit being redeemed and God's Spirit abiding in them (1 John 3:9), a poster's assertion otherwise not withstanding.

There is also a theme of mixing time stamps of the formation of The Church of all believers (not speaking of the Catholic Org here).

So there ya go, I just went back on my own decision to wash my hands of you. You are too deeply enthralled with catholiciism for me to reach you. I leave you to the Spirit work which God may or may not have in store for you. You may be one of that number coming out of the first part of the Tribulation years, a number so great John could not count them ... and he could count to 200 million, at least.

[MHGinTN]

You have rejected at least two of the things I offered to you, so I do have those examples of your disbelief. ONLY through study would someone find the notion of soul and spirit being separated when the spirit is born again. It also requires reason, where God does not put His abiding spirit into the flesh. He abides in the spirit of the born agains (1 John 3:9). Since The Holy Spirit never leaves someone once he takes up abiding in their spirit that human redeemed spirit does not sleep in the dust because it is with The Lord after the death of the person. The refusals to even contemplate the issues is a sign of rejection of the notions, in other words, disbelief. I can read your posts and come to that conclusion.

[Luircin]

Now that I have salvation, yes.

Before that, not a chance.

Doesn’t answer my question though. Why do you enjoy accusing and implying that we use our salvation as a license to sin?

[Luircin]

Why yell at me for what MHGinTN said?

Why yell at him, for that matter?

Considering the kind of insults that you’ve thrown at me since we’ve known each other, I’m surprised that you’re not ashamed of yourself instead.

[af_vet_1981]

indicates someone with callsign Luircin wrote it; was he hacked ?
The hypocrisy is astounding.

[Philsworld]

Why do you enjoy accusing and implying that we use our salvation as a license to sin?

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Ravi

[Philsworld]

Carried over from post 834:

Do you believe God abides in the born again spirit?
Born again in the Spirit
Born again of the Spirit

NOT “a” born again spirit.

Born again humans are not spirits. The Holy Spirit resides in us. We are born OF THE SPIRIT.

John 3:6That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

[Elsie]

You have rejected at least two of the things I offered to you, so I do have those examples of your disbelief.

Which two?

Does rejection REALLY equal disbelief in your mind?

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He abides in the spirit of the born agains (1 John 3:9).

Well; if you think that 'seed' (sperma) equals the Holy Spirit, but a better match is made here: (John 14:16–17)

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Since The Holy Spirit never leaves someone once he takes up abiding in their spirit that human redeemed spirit does not sleep in the dust because it is with The Lord after the death of the person.

Bad logic.

It is WITH the believer while he lives; awake or ASLEEP.

Why can't it still be with him as he sleeps in the dust, awaiting that trumpet sound?

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David, a 'man after GOD's own heart' was a 'believer' yet he sinned.

He was remorseful and wrote:

He did NOT write, "retore your salvation to me", but...

...restore the joy of your salvation to me...

[Elsie]

And meanwhile Catholicism teaches that someone could rape the virgin Mary and get off scot free if they just buy a little indulgence for it.

What about Judy, my next door neighbor?

Can a sexual indulgence against her be bought off by an indulgence to the church?

[Elsie]

HMMMmmm...

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CATECHISM OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH
SECOND EDITION

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1471 The doctrine and practice of indulgences in the Church are closely linked to the effects of the sacrament of Penance.

What is an indulgence?

"An indulgence is a remission before God of the temporal punishment due to sins whose guilt has already been forgiven, which the faithful Christian who is duly disposed gains under certain prescribed conditions through the action of the Church which, as the minister of redemption, dispenses and applies with authority the treasury of the satisfactions of Christ and the saints."

"An indulgence is partial or plenary according as it removes either part or all of the temporal punishment due to sin." The faithful can gain indulgences for themselves or apply them to the dead.

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[MHGinTN]

You might benefit from a study of the work of the Holy Spirit, in the Old Covenant relationship with man and the in the new covenant with man.

[Elsie]

I might?

Why is that?

[Luircin]

Got the quotation right this time, I see!

LOL, read your history my man.

What I wrote is 100% preaching by Catholic indulgence sellers. And said preaching was endorsed by the church itself.

Don’t blame me for quoting historical fact at you!

Unless, of course, you’re willing to admit that Roman Catholicism can be wrong.

[servantboy777]

Later

[servantboy777]

Later

[Luircin]

Unproven. I could claim that YOU, Phil, have committed mass murder, but that doesn’t make it true.

Also, your obsession with the man is disturbing.

Also, that’s not license to sin.

[af_vet_1981]

Ravi

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