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To: MurphsLaw

Now that I have salvation, yes.

Before that, not a chance.

Doesn’t answer my question though. Why do you enjoy accusing and implying that we use our salvation as a license to sin?


926 posted on 03/26/2022 12:11:04 AM PDT by Luircin
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To: Luircin; MurphsLaw

Why do you enjoy accusing and implying that we use our salvation as a license to sin?


Ravi


929 posted on 03/26/2022 4:41:28 AM PDT by Philsworld
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To: Luircin; Philsworld
Why do you enjoy accusing and implying that we use our salvation as a license to sin?

I'm implying that you're adhering to an incorrect doctrine that allows one to be able to sin inconsequentially. I cited some notables who espouse that theory publicly, so it us not my lone opinion.
I'm not "accusing" you of anything...especially the license to sin.
You have forgotten that, in sinning, we don't need any license because as humans, we sin.
That’s what we do, that's our nature.
We will in accord with what we believe in. So it's important that what we believe in is right..
If I know that "no sin" can separate me from my "salvation"... I can tell you as a sinful human being, that theory cannot help but to become practice at some point in our lives. We don't stop sinning because we believe in Jesus. The flesh is always... willing.

Nor should this be a judgement call on this Ravi preacher.
I don't really know who he is... but he is popular with many followers, and he hot into some trouble over texting?
what he must do is to confess and repent, and he will be restored.
I don't know his entire story, nor do I need to. We must remember though, He could be any one of us. We have to understand what sin really is, and not ignore it. We must look at it - like the bronze serpent in the desert. We'll see tomorrow,
the Prodigal Son parable - that begins with the Pharisees and scribes chastising Jesus because - “This man receives sinners and eats with them". Jesus straightens them out with the Prodigal.

We have to understand that the Prodigal Son - OR his judgemental Brother- IS ALL OF US at one time or another.
If you do not think you can be either one, then, no worries, you are already a Saint.
But for the rest of us, we need to always confront our sinfulness, and not with a theory that at some, one singular point in our lives, sin no longer effects our soul.

That is the point of the parable of today's Pharisee and tax collector in the Temple.
Oddly enough we can also find ourselves in either of those two people in that parable as well- unless of course again, you're already a saint.
The way they approach their sin is at the heart of what we need to understand. The Pharisee, as today's Gospel Reflection notes, the Pharisee speaks in the Temple to himself, massaging his ego by confirming his self-regard. The net effect upon the God in which he is praying to, ends up putting that God in the Pharisees' audience for his needs.

The Tax Collector on the other hand realizes that his sin requires God’s Mercy and Grace, begging to receive a mysterious mercy which he trusts in, though he doesn't deserve and can't merit it...
in this dynamic,, the tax collector becomes the audience for God's forgiving Grace- that unlike the Pharisee, he can only receive and cannot bind God to his ideals, for a merciful response for the sinful state of his being.

If we say sin does effect us after a certain point, we lose the opportunities- or need- to beg for that Grace of God's mercy.
And that's Spirit denying emptiness on our part then...
Where sin abounds, God's Grace will ALWAYS surpass it.
We must have trust, and faith, in God to allow us to deal with our sinfulness.
Do not deceive yourself... WE are the ones in those parables, we one day could be the Prodigal, squandering our inheritance, we are all like Ravi in some way.
Believing in a theory to escape the sin that injures our relationship with God, damages our soul,, to make us feel better about ourselves, robs us of God's Saving Grace.

The situation is not a hopeless one- but rather full of hope.
942 posted on 03/26/2022 9:33:20 PM PDT by MurphsLaw (+++11"How is it you don’t understand that I was not talking to you about bread?"+++)
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