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Methodist Pastor: Killing Babies in Abortions is “Moral” if It’s Done With “Thoughtful Prayer”
Life News ^ | October 15, 2021 | Micaiah Bilger

Posted on 10/15/2021 2:44:32 PM PDT by Morgana

A United Methodist Church leader is promoting the notion that killing an unborn baby in an abortion is okay as long as the mother makes a “thoughtful and prayerful” decision first.

Pastor Robert Vaughn Jr., director of the General Board of Church and Society for the UMC, told Baptist News Global that the denomination takes a “reluctant pro-choice” stance on abortion. And his board is in charge of supporting that position.

“Terminating a pregnancy isn’t just a medical decision; it requires advanced pastoral care so that a person can look at the whole picture,” the Herndon, Virginia pastor said. “The United Methodist principle requires you to think through a decision, to seize the whole complexity of the question. It’s not as simple as some easy slogan.”

Vaughn said he once counseled a young, pro-life woman who became pregnant while she was taking medication that meant “she couldn’t carry the pregnancy to term,” according to the report. Rather than give her child a chance at life, she aborted her unborn child – a decision that Vaughn said was “moral.”

“I remember walking with her as she and her family went through that situation,” he said. “… It was good to be part of a denomination that respected her as an independent moral decision-maker, that gave her the right to choose.”

Vaughn described abortion as “health care” – though thousands of medical leaders and professionals disagree. He also brought up the struggles with poverty and other problems that pregnant women face – though aborting an unborn baby does not solve any of them.

The United Methodist Church believes: “Governmental laws and regulations do not provide all the guidance required by the informed Christian conscience. Therefore, a decision concerning abortion should be made only after thoughtful and prayerful consideration by the parties involved, with medical, family, pastoral and other appropriate counsel.”

The denomination’s official statement on abortion recognizes it as a “tragic conflict of life” but does not explain why it is a tragedy, namely because it kills a unique, living human being created in the image of God. The UMC believes abortions are ok in certain circumstances as long as abortion is not used for birth control, sex-selection or eugenics.

Vaughn is not the only UMC pastor who counsels women to get abortions.

Church historian William B. Lawrence began doing so before abortion on demand became legal nation-wide in 1973, according to the report.

Lawrence criticized Texas for passing its heartbeat law, which prohibits abortions once an unborn baby’s heartbeat is detectable. He pointed to a unique private enforcement provision that allows private citizens to sue abortionists and those who help them, saying pastors who counsel women to have abortions could be targeted under the law. None have been thus far.

“If the newly passed anti-abortion law in Texas had been in place 50 years ago, my ministry could have ended soon after it started,” Lawrence said. “I could have faced civil court actions for which my $5,800 annual salary would have been inadequate to finance a legal response. I might have left the ministry because I could not afford to stay in it.”

But what he and other UMC pastors are counseling in favor of is killing unborn babies. Nearly 63 million have been killed legally in abortions since 1973.

Christianity teaches that unborn babies are valuable human beings, something the United Methodist leaders neglected to mention. The Bible recognizes unborn babies as valuable human beings in multiple passages, and condemns the shedding of innocent blood and the harming of children.

True Christianity rejects violence and raises up the most vulnerable. It defends the defenseless and offers compassion to the suffering. This is what pro-life advocates, secular and religious, do every day for mothers and babies across the world. They offer struggling families true blessings by reassuring them that every life is valuable.


TOPICS: General Discusssion; Mainline Protestant
KEYWORDS: abortion; babykiller; methodist; murderer; plannedparenthood; prolife; righttolife; robertvaughnjr; texas; umc; unitedmethodist; williamblawrence
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To: Morgana

That pastor has demons in him.


21 posted on 10/15/2021 3:10:36 PM PDT by simpson96
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To: Manic_Episode
I feel the exact same way about killing Methodist Pastors..../s....mostly

I’m starting to think some things that surprise myself, too. God deliver us.

22 posted on 10/15/2021 3:11:12 PM PDT by Watershed
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To: Morgana
Methodist Pastor: Killing Babies in Abortions is “Moral” if It’s Done With “Thoughtful Prayer”

The Methodist version of Kosher…

23 posted on 10/15/2021 3:11:40 PM PDT by Magnatron
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To: ScottinVA

Nah, they’re liberals


24 posted on 10/15/2021 3:12:06 PM PDT by bigbob
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To: Morgana

Read later. Puke now.


25 posted on 10/15/2021 3:20:51 PM PDT by NetAddicted ( Just looking)
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To: Morgana

Thoughtful prayer to whom?

Molek, Ba’al, Asherah, or Enu?

Certainly not any god a Christian should pray too.


26 posted on 10/15/2021 3:21:16 PM PDT by Fai Mao (I don't think we have enough telephone poles.)
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To: Morgana

This jackass will someday get his chance to explain this as he stands before God...

He better be very persuasive...


29 posted on 10/15/2021 3:23:30 PM PDT by Bobalu (Figure out what you like, learn enough to be dangerous, and then start fiddling around)
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To: Morgana

How sick!


30 posted on 10/15/2021 3:25:31 PM PDT by madison10
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To: Morgana

Tell that one to Jesus when you are being judged. See what He says.

How about euthanasia of the elderly? Is that okay with “thoughtful prayer” too? Because that is next.


31 posted on 10/15/2021 3:26:28 PM PDT by Seruzawa ("The Political left is the Garden of Eden of incompetence" - Marx the Smarter (Groucho))
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To: Morgana

The author is saying that murdering babies is OK if you pray first.

I don’t believe that is true.

There are certain exceptions, wartime or protecting your family


32 posted on 10/15/2021 3:28:09 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: DJ MacWoW

Great quote!


33 posted on 10/15/2021 3:29:22 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Morgana

I am guessing that most abortions are ex post facto birth control. That is not true of the case he cited. It sounds as if the mother would not have aborted if she had not been on a medication that would have caused difficulties with the pregnancy. You don’t make a policy based on the hard cases.


34 posted on 10/15/2021 3:30:06 PM PDT by Southside_Chicago_Republican (The more I learn about people, the more I like my dog. )
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To: Salvation

Thanks! :-)


35 posted on 10/15/2021 3:30:43 PM PDT by DJ MacWoW (The Fed Gov is not one ring to rule them all)
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To: P-Marlowe

A lot of people who think they are “Christian” are headed there.


36 posted on 10/15/2021 3:40:22 PM PDT by Roman_War_Criminal (Jesus + Something = Nothing ; Jesus + Nothing = Everything )
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To: chajin

Most denominations aren’t safe anymore.

The Lord will call individuals out his true Church wherever they are.

Baptists have become pagans lately, so you know it’s bad.


37 posted on 10/15/2021 3:42:02 PM PDT by Roman_War_Criminal (Jesus + Something = Nothing ; Jesus + Nothing = Everything )
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To: Morgana

And don’t forget “pastor” the murder MUST be done in a humane way.


38 posted on 10/15/2021 3:42:21 PM PDT by jmaroneps37
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To: Morgana

Then if someone kills someone, all they have to do is pray first? Sounds familiar.


39 posted on 10/15/2021 3:44:34 PM PDT by TribalPrincess2U
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To: Morgana

The UMC was something of a church, before WW2.


40 posted on 10/15/2021 3:50:06 PM PDT by lurk ( )
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