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A Personal Question for a Beloved Son of Israel and Gentile - Where is Your Propitiation and Atonement Before Your ETERNAL RIGHTEOUS G-d?
IFB ^ | 9/27/20

Posted on 09/27/2020 2:59:40 PM PDT by The Ignorant Fisherman

My beloved Jewish friend and also Gentile friend, may I ask you these very personal questions on the Day of Atonement?

Where is YOUR atonement (covering) for your transgressions against the RIGHTEOUS Holy Law of Almighty G-d (Lev. 17:11, Isa. 53)?

Where is YOUR sin-offering for your cleansing of transgressions against the Holy Law of Almighty G-d (Lev. 4, 17:11, Isa. 53)?

Where is YOUR lamb to offer in your place for your transgressions (Lev. 17:11, Isa. 53)?

Where is YOUR propitiation that FULLY satisfies the PERFECT RIGHTEOUS DEMANDS OF THE HOLY LAW OF G-D (Isa. 53:10-11, Zech. 12:8-14)?

Have you PERFECTLY kept the LAW of Moses with your whole HEART, SOUL, and MIND (Deut. 6:5)?

My dear Jewish friend, ALL (Jew and Gentile) crucially need Almighty God's FULL SATISFYING propitiation, which all the lambs of sacrifice pointed to but could NEVER take away (Ps. 40:6-8, Isa. 40:16). ETERNAL redemption is ONLY found in the PERFECT life, death, and resurrection of the Messiah of Israel, the Branch of RIGHTEOUSNESS (Psalm 110:1, Isa 9:6-7, 53, Jer. 33:15, Zech. 12:10). The Messiah was born of the seed of the woman and of the line of Abraham (Gen. 3:15, 12:3, Isa. 7:14, 9:6-7, Micah 5:2). He laid down His PERFECT and sinless life and shed His Blood for the transgressions of the world and was rejected by both Jew and Gentile (Isa. 53:1-10, Dan. 9:26, Zech. 12:10). He was buried (Ps. 16:10, Isa 53:9) and triumphantly AROSE from the dead for our justification and now sits at the RIGHT HAND of ALMIGHTY G-D in Heaven (Psalm 16:10,110:1, Isa. 52:13, 53:12, 9:6-7). He will come again to redeem Israel and will establish His Kingdom from Israel FOREVER (Psalm 110:1, Isa. 11:1-10, Dan. 2:44-45, 7:13-14, Micah 4:1-4, Zech. 12-14).

ETERNAL redemption is ONLY found in the PERFECT life, death, and resurrection of the Messiah of Israel, the Branch of RIGHTEOUSNESS.

It is our sincere desire that you would come to know the Messiah of Israel and let the Word of the Lord open your eyes and heart to the realities of time and ETERNITY. Tragically Israel's WORST DAYS are not very far away (Jer. 30:4-9, Zech 13:7-9, 14:1-4). It will take this GREAT TRIBULATION AND THE BATTLE OF ARMAGEDDON that will cause Israel to FINALLY afflict themselves greatly because of their transgressions and cry out to the LORD Yeshua Messiah as He returns from Heaven's glory! It will be then that they will greatly repent and be mightily converted (Isa. 63:1-4, 66:7-9, Zech. 12:1-4, :8-14, 13:1-2,6, 14:1-4, Rev. 1:7, 19:11-21). Oh what a glorious day that will be and because of their reception of Yeshua Messiah they will now be ready for the Kingdom Age Almighty God promised to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob and to her seed!

Beloved, Yeshua came to TAKE AWAY our sins, not to COVER them! The blood of goats and lambs could NEVER atone for a sinful man, but the spotless man from the seed of Abraham, can go to the cross and be our RIGHTEOUS Lamb!

Beloved, Yeshua came to TAKE AWAY our sins, not to COVER (Kippur) them (Isa. 53, Dan. 9:26, John 1:29; 19:30, Heb. 10, 1 John 4:10, Rev. 1:5)! The blood of goats and lambs could NEVER atone for a sinful man, but the spotless man from the seed of Abraham, can go to the cross and be our RIGHTEOUS Lamb (Gen. 3:15, 12:3, Lev. 17:11-14, Isa. 9:6-7; 53, Dan. 9:26, Zech. 12:10-14, Psalm 40:6-9; 110:1, Matt. 1:18-21, 2 Cor. 5:12-21, Gal. 1:4; 3:13-18, Heb. 10:1-25, Rev. 1:17-18)! Oh my dear Jewish friend, may you have an ear to hear today the ETERNAL Gospel call of the Messiah of Israel! May you by faith ask Almighty G-d to reveal to you through His Holy Word the TRUE Messiah of Israel and may you receive Him as your Lord and Savior (Ps.110:1, Isa. 53). You will NEVER be the same!

Beloved, the Kingdom of Heaven is at hand!


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1 posted on 09/27/2020 2:59:40 PM PDT by The Ignorant Fisherman
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To: The Ignorant Fisherman

Good questions


2 posted on 09/27/2020 3:29:25 PM PDT by ecomcon
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To: ecomcon

For a gentile not good questions at all. Gentiles are not subject to Jewish law. Rather we have Christ and the New Testament chapters of Paul to guide us.


3 posted on 09/27/2020 3:37:20 PM PDT by Bookshelf
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To: The Ignorant Fisherman
Thanks for trying to appropriate Judaism once again. How DARE you say that "blood of goats and lambs could NEVER atone for a sinful man, but the spotless man from the seed of Abraham, can go to the cross"? That is a direct denial of what OUR prayers say. For you, anything could be true and go right ahead and be happy with it.

Do not DARE to contradict our Torah and tell people yours is the only way, you ignorant oaf.

4 posted on 09/27/2020 3:45:55 PM PDT by EinNYC
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To: The Ignorant Fisherman
Where was the holy atonement during the seventy years of the Babylonian exile? Where was it in the Wilderness when the Israelite camp was moving? (There were no services in transit.)

Then there's the fact that Yom Kippur does not now, and never did apply to non-Jews.

I realize it's a completely vain attempt to argue against a "burning in the bosom" like yours (especially since it causes you to LOCK YOUR CAPS at the word ETERNAL), but you merely assume the claims of chrstianity from the start. If you are arguing with someone who does not, then you cannot quote the "new testament" to prove anything.

The Torah is the Truth. Anything that contradicts it or assumes some sort of "fulfillment" that renders it moot is ipso facto questionable and unsafe.

5 posted on 09/27/2020 4:00:17 PM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Modernism began two thousand years ago.)
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To: The Ignorant Fisherman

Our sermon today was from 2 Timothy Ch 2, vs 8-13.

My “covering” is Jesus.

Quite sincerely, ‘Pod.


6 posted on 09/27/2020 4:09:28 PM PDT by sauropod (I will not comply.)
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To: The Ignorant Fisherman

Do you think that God really cares whether you use a minus sign or an o to spell his name? Since you use the minus sign so much doesn’t it just become the same word? Don’t you think that God might be a little perturbed that the minus sign messes with the pronunciation of his name, which is God? Do you think God wants you to say geedashdee? Oh mighty Geedashdee please favor me on this day. Why don’t you spell it -od or Go- ? I get that it’s really hard to find a capital hyphen but why not Go-? Dear Gohyphen hear my prayer! There might be some debates down at the seminary about whether it’s Geedashdee ir Geehyphendee, and what do you do about the ones who insist that the true name of God is Geeminusigndee?


7 posted on 09/27/2020 4:11:49 PM PDT by webheart (Coronavirus, I give up. Come get me.)
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To: The Ignorant Fisherman

A Houston megachurch once declared the old testament doesn’t count anymore.


8 posted on 09/27/2020 4:19:58 PM PDT by Terry L Smith
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To: The Ignorant Fisherman
My atonement was on Calvary 2000 years ago.
 
9 posted on 09/27/2020 4:25:47 PM PDT by Governor Dinwiddie (Guide me, O thou great redeemer, pilgrim through this barren land.)
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To: The Ignorant Fisherman
Wait a second!!!

As I understand the Day of Atonement it is a foreshadowing and rehearsal of Christ's propitious work. It is not just a random festival. Absolutely no work is to be done by those who attend except the high priest (who prefigures the mediator role of Christ).

A strict Sabbath is meant to enforce the concept that our atonement is secured by faith alone (apart from works). So questions like have You done this? Have you done that? Those are missing the point entirely.
10 posted on 09/27/2020 4:32:45 PM PDT by EliRoom8
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To: EinNYC

So you don’t believe Jeshua?


11 posted on 09/27/2020 4:36:22 PM PDT by MHGinTN (A dispensation perspective is a powerful tool for discernment)
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To: webheart

God is just a title, not a name; whereas Yahweh and Jehovah are names.


12 posted on 09/27/2020 4:48:12 PM PDT by sun7
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Hebrews 10:5-10 ... a Pharisee among Pharisees explained it for us. Psalms 40:6; Isa 40:16


13 posted on 09/27/2020 5:21:23 PM PDT by MHGinTN (A dispensation perspective is a powerful tool for discernment)
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To: The Ignorant Fisherman

The scriptures hint the Word Became Flesh 40 days before the Day of Atonement, when the sun clothed the woman and the moon was under her feet

And was presented as a 40 day babe on the Day of Atonement.
(A clue/hint with Anna the prophetess, fasting night and day, on the day He was presented in the temple)

And pattern followed at 30,He would have then began His ministry on the Day of Atonement.
After being in the wilderness for those same 40 days, after being baptized on His 30th birthday.

Israel was called to fast one day,the final day of 40, that the Messiah of Israel fasted,before beginning His journey to the tree as the Passover Lamb.

These really are His days.
His Story.
The Word did become Flesh!


14 posted on 09/27/2020 5:55:37 PM PDT by delchiante
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To: delchiante

Amen!


15 posted on 09/27/2020 6:11:29 PM PDT by MHGinTN (A dispensation perspective is a powerful tool for discernment)
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To: EinNYC; The Ignorant Fisherman
Thanks for trying to appropriate Judaism once again. How DARE you say that "blood of goats and lambs could NEVER atone for a sinful man, but the spotless man from the seed of Abraham, can go to the cross"? That is a direct denial of what OUR prayers say. For you, anything could be true and go right ahead and be happy with it.

Please explain how it is "appropriating" Judaism when the plan of Almighty God was that the Messiah would one day come as a suffering servant and then as the triumphant heir of the throne of King David? This is what Christians believe and we see Judaism as the older brother of our faith. Are all the prophecies that the Prophets of the LORD gave - and which many were included in TIF's OP not valid or true? I read Isaiah 53, for example, that His "Righteous Servant will justify many and He will bear their iniquities.", and I cannot help but believe it IS speaking of the Messiah. Who else could that and the hundreds of other very specific passages be speaking of? No disrespect intended at all, here. Just a sincere question.

16 posted on 09/27/2020 7:55:20 PM PDT by boatbums (Come unto me all you who are burdened and heavy laden - for my yoke is easy and my burden is light.)
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To: Zionist Conspirator; The Ignorant Fisherman
Where was it in the Wilderness when the Israelite camp was moving? (There were no services in transit.)

Oh, but it certainly WAS! They carried with them the Ark of the Covenant and the LORD gave Moses the instructions for how this and the other sacrifices were to be made using this symbol of the presence of the LORD (see Leviticus 16). Then Joshua, when he led the children of Israel into the Promised Land, sent ahead the Ark of the Covenant with the priests (see Joshua 3).

Then there's the fact that Yom Kippur does not now, and never did apply to non-Jews.

Not true. When the Lord first instituted the Day of Atonement with Moses, it wasn't just for Jews:

    And this shall be a statute for ever unto you: that in the seventh month, on the tenth day of the month, ye shall afflict your souls, and do no work at all, whether it be one of your own country, or a stranger that sojourneth among you: For on that day shall the priest make an atonement for you, to cleanse you, that ye may be clean from all your sins before the LORD. (Leviticus 16:29,30)

But you are a Gentile so where is your atonement?

The Torah is the Truth. Anything that contradicts it or assumes some sort of "fulfillment" that renders it moot is ipso facto questionable and unsafe.

What makes you think anything "contradicts" the Torah? It is NOT rendered moot, it is FULFILLED - just as the LORD intended. The sacrifices and feast days and Sabbaths were a shadow of what was to come. The blood of animals offered to make atonement for sin was something that was not intended to be permanent, else why did it need to be performed yearly? It was a "covering", and expiation, for sin and it symbolized that God required death - the shedding of blood - to make atonement. That was how serious sin was to Him. But the blood of animals could never make PROPITIATION for sins - they could never take away sin. There were two goats chosen for the sin offering. One was for the Lord and his blood was offered upon the Mercy Seat. The second - the "scapegoat" - was sent away alive into the wilderness and was also the bearer of the sins and the people will be purified and made right with the LORD (see Leviticus 16:10). These were object lessons for the people and I hope you come to appreciate the awesome ways in which our Creator has communicated with His creation and made a way for us to be reconciled to Him. It is pure GRACE.

17 posted on 09/27/2020 8:33:51 PM PDT by boatbums (Come unto me all you who are burdened and heavy laden - for my yoke is easy and my burden is light.)
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To: boatbums

Did Yeshua/Jesus die for your sins or a lamb? If you read the whole post with its links you would see what we are saying. I think I’m understanding your question

Dan.9:26 is also a great verse about Messiah and 70 AD.

Check out link, we did the work for you on the shed blood of Yeshua/Jesus in the Holy Scriptures.

Thanks for your reply.

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Mt%2026:28,%20Mk%2014:24,%20Luke%2022:20,%201JN%201:7,%201%20Peter%201:2,19,%20Rom%203:25,%205:9,%201%20Cor%2011:25,%20Eph%201:7,%202:13,%20Col%201:14,20,%20Heb%209:11-14,%2010:19,%2013:12,20,%20Rev%201:5,%205:9,%207:14,12:11;&version=KJV


18 posted on 09/28/2020 8:11:34 AM PDT by The Ignorant Fisherman
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To: boatbums

I’m Jewish also my friend, look at the Torah, Prophets and Psalm verses that point to Yeshua! I deed the Torah us true but can you keep the whole Law perfectly? Neither can a Gentile. All sacrifices pointed to the perfect sacrifice of Yeshua. You need a Perfect man lamb not a lamb lamb. Isa. 53, Psalm 110:10, etc. Be objective and believer!

Be a true believer not a keeper my friend for we all once were there including me! In the beginning on Pentecost the church was created and made up of Jews. Messianic/annionted) ones (Christians) be ause the Kingdom was postponed. The true church loves Israel as you can see at the Prayer day event on Saturday lead by a Jewish believer in Yeshua.

Look more I to and prove me wrong for undoing so if you seek with a whole heart you will see Yeshua is the Messiah and the Lamb of God which takes away the sons of the world for Jew and Gentile.

Isa 53, Dan. 9:26.

Who was the Nessiah who was cut off before 70AD? It’s pretty clear.

Just want all to know Yeshua, not seeking to offend any, such also where the prophets Isa. 6


19 posted on 09/28/2020 8:33:04 AM PDT by The Ignorant Fisherman
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To: delchiante

Don’t know about all of that but I can see where you are coming from... Anna was know to fast often. What a women!

Thanks for your comments !

Check out this song if you like a out Anna.

https://youtu.be/ifVms7vzp28


20 posted on 09/28/2020 8:56:48 AM PDT by The Ignorant Fisherman
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