Posted on 01/05/2020 8:28:22 AM PST by SeekAndFind
The entire notion of a political leader saying God is on our side, tends to rub me the wrong way. I grew up at a Southern Baptist high school where the notion of God and politics crossed paths regularly. It sort of made sense, as much as it could to a rather protected teenager who was taught the idea of separation of church and state was some godless plot to turn the country into Sodom and Gomorrah. Republicans were the ones saving the country from a dire fate, while Democrats were heathens who wouldnt know Jesus Christ if He suddenly showed up in all His glory in the Heavens.
Imagine my surprise to learn in my 20s there were Christians who were Democrats and legitimately believed the government was the best method to ensure the poor, hungry, down-trodden, etc. were taken care of because of the failure of the Church (used to describe all of Christendom, not just a singular denomination). A noble goal, as the Church (again, all of Christendom, including myself) deserves plenty of criticism for failing to follow the standards set by Christ during his time on Earth. We are all fallen, so perhaps its too be expected and where grace comes into play.
Another group believes the Churchs attempt to ingratiate itself with the government is folly due to the latters ability to completely corrupt instead of purification via religion. It doesnt matter whether the government is run by Christians or Jews or Muslims or pagans or Flying Spaghetti Monster believers or Satanists. It will end up corrupting via its power. One only has to look at the Holy Roman Empire, the wars between Protestant and Catholic-backed governments in Europe, or the Taliban as examples of what happens when government and religion get too cozy with each other. Its something we should probably avoid more than embrace, given historys violent past.
So, when I hear a political leader cry out, God is on our side, it immediately makes me question the veracity of the statement. Is he or she speaking from the theory that God (Allah, Yahweh, God the Father) or the gods (pick your favorite pantheon) write history as some sort of novelist and we are just characters who have zero say in our choices? This could be quite depressing to know humans dont have the freedom to choose their actions, relationships, careers, or lives, in general. There are certainly examples in religious texts where higher powers appeared to be on one side or the other, but the deities either appear to be quite human or the entire book leads to one singular point where death and resurrection of someone fully God and fully man rips up an old covenant and replaces it with a new one.
The more important questions are what kind of agenda is said politician attempting to push through or what voting bloc is he or she attempting to placate? Perhaps I am too cynical when it comes to politicians, but Ive learned everything they say should be taken with a grain of salt. Those who tend to wrap themselves around in some sort of religious-political ideology also cause me consternation. Even if I admit to not understanding the mind of God and doubt I ever will.
Theres no doubt religion and politics will cross paths in one way, shape, or form while were on this Earth. No one should take my hesitation to believe every politician who utters, God is on our side, as an endorsement of some sort of ban on religious faith. Far from it. However, we should be willing to question those who declare the backing of a deity until theres actual proof. While also remembering the actual good stuff may be what comes in the next life and world, and not in this life. If thats what we choose to believe.
Because nobody in Texas was taught what she was in and there is no such thing as a southern Baptist high school. And this millennial graduate certainly wasn’t taught that in school.
At best someone might have said like that in the 1920s, only they wouldn’t have because it wouldn’t have occurred to them to do so. Because back then the separation of church and state was not used to enforce state atheism as it is today. The government was quite comfortable with its relationship with religion as it existed since the revolutionary war.
She made it up. She published it. It has all the hallmarks of Jason Blair journalism.
She published she was taught in a southern baptist high school that separation was a plot to turn America into Sodom and Gomorrah. I say she made it up on the spot. She published the claim. So I challenge her to name the high school and the teacher. Give us names of her classmates who can verify it.
This did not happen in the last 90 years in Texas.
She’s a liar. She did not need the drama queen lie to write her story attacking Trump.
You’re correct. It was indeed blasphemy against God to have that on their buckles.
I just know that our President is a man who has a respect for God, and it made me cringe a little when he said it.
I love our President and I want the best for our country. I also want the blessings of the Almighty on our land.
And for one thing, I know more about her than you do. For starters, I know shes a chick, not a dude. She’s just trying to update the old tired Molly Ivins routine, that’s all.
Please read post 19. That’s why I -don’t- cringe when Trump said it. Semantics aside about the verbiage of how he worded it, it’s pretty obvious God is NOT on that other communist, pagan, atheist, marxist, pervert pizzagate, islam loving, baby chopping and parting out, spirit-cooking, bohemian grove side that dances around at Bilderberg parties wearing a yak-head mask ike in eyes wide shut.
So yeah, God IS on our side. And he is because he knows WE are on his.
Everybody thinks God is on their side. And at least half lose. That’s all you need to know about that racket.
Ever since my days in a NY mehachurch in the ‘80’s, the cry has gone out: “We are going to take this country back for God!”
Question: Once you have, what would you do with everybody else, without trampling on their 1st Amendment rights?
An article from another person who thinks himself a deep thinker by writing platitudes he thinks are original.
I confess that Trump’s “god is on our side” statement is the most troubling he’s ever made, at least for me. I never like it when ANY politician uses that line.
Nice
Gen x comic book libertarian
Naturally has issue with religion
Mat 7:22
Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?’
Many/most Liberals have a rude awakening coming when they stand before God
The issue is are we on God’s side.
Mine is, "Why did you make mosquitoes?"
As Sovereign, God is on God’s side. Which side of that line you’re on is up to you.
That is an easy answer. The human government is always wrong. No matter what it does. Lol. It is evil in nature. Always. How can you do good with reapers and hellfires ? The US government did a bad thing for a good reason. Or more accurately, for a less bad reason. You are not in heaven yet. All your decisions are bad.
RE: Which side of that line youre on is up to you.
Of course everyone wants to be on God’s side. The question is and has always been HOW DO YOU KNOW you are on God’s side when faced with a decision?
God gave us an entire book to answer that question. "If you love me you will follow my commandments."
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