Posted on 11/02/2019 6:58:01 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
Thank God, for the church which the Lord promised to overcome the gates of Hell was not one organic organization outside of which no believers were to be found, but the one true church was and is the body of Christ that the Spirit baptizes every believer into, (1Co. 12:13) and to which He is married, (Eph. 5:25)
For it uniquely only and always consists 100% of true believers, while organic fellowships in which they express their faith inevitably become admixtures of wheat and tares, with Catholicism and liberal Protestantism being mostly the latter.
Some LCMS hymns from the “The Lutheran Hymnal” sound like unenthusiastic funeral dirges. The new hymnal is just completely disappointing.
there is a lot here I do not have time to delve into this am. We do not have priests we have pastors. While we leave the consecration of communion to ordained clergy as a matter of good order, there is nothing that prevents any believer from acting in this fashion. We believe in the priesthood of all believers and being ordained clergy does not infer any special magical powers.
as to the rest of your post I will answer as I have time but this is not a salvific issue. I wish you a blessed day.
HMMMmmm…
Where did I miss THIS fact??
1 Corinthians 1:17
For Christ did not send me to baptize, but to preach the gospel--not with wisdom and eloquence, lest the cross of Christ be emptied of its power.
Dang; Paul!
Do you wanna SAVE souls or NOT??
About the same as with, "You brood of vipers!"
You see arrested Reformation. but I would caution you not to go so far the other way as to throw the baby out with the bath water. Knee jerk rejection of everything Rome believed is as bad as blindly following them. Yes there are places Luther did not get far enough from Rome,mostly in remaining amillenial. But I can excuse his lack of end time exposition as he was fighting for his life for daring to preach salvation by grace.
Just before these words; in the same chapter; a direct question is asked:
John 6:25-40
25 When they found him on the other side of the lake, they asked him, “Rabbi, when did you get here?”
26 Jesus answered, “Very truly I tell you, you are looking for me, not because you saw the signs I performed but because you ate the loaves and had your fill. 27 Do not work for food that spoils, but for food that endures to eternal life, which the Son of Man will give you. For on him God the Father has placed his seal of approval.”
28 Then they asked him, “What must we do to do the works God requires?”
29 Jesus answered, “The work of God is this: to believe in the one he has sent.”
30 So they asked him, “What sign then will you give that we may see it and believe you? What will you do? 31 Our ancestors ate the manna in the wilderness; as it is written: ‘He gave them bread from heaven to eat.’[c]”
32 Jesus said to them, “Very truly I tell you, it is not Moses who has given you the bread from heaven, but it is my Father who gives you the true bread from heaven. 33 For the bread of God is the bread that comes down from heaven and gives life to the world.”
34 “Sir,” they said, “always give us this bread.”
35 Then Jesus declared, “I am the bread of life. Whoever comes to me will never go hungry, and whoever believes in me will never be thirsty. 36 But as I told you, you have seen me and still you do not believe. 37 All those the Father gives me will come to me, and whoever comes to me I will never drive away. 38 For I have come down from heaven not to do my will but to do the will of him who sent me. 39 And this is the will of him who sent me, that I shall lose none of all those he has given me, but raise them up at the last day. 40 For my Father’s will is that everyone who looks to the Son and believes in him shall have eternal life, and I will raise them up at the last day.”
These words were spoke at Christ’s last few intimate moments with His disciples knowing what He was about to accomplish This is a very different setting than His parables and sparring with the Pharisees. I do not see any place for other than plain meaning lovingly spoken but ymmv.
Lutherans are not saved by baptism. They are saved by the Blood of Christ atoning for their sin like every other Christian. Baptism is an actor faith and obedience not salvation .
I’m Jewish by blood, but was raised Lutheran, Missouri Synod. I prefer the Wisconsin Synod, though, and joined that church as an adult. My mother joined the Methodists when she re-married. They goof around in church too much for my tastes. I can’t stand all the glad-handing. Just tell me I’m a sinner and make me feel bad about it so I shape up...for the week at least, LOL!
Still looking for a new Church Home. It’s taking a while as I live in the middle of nowhere, now. Also, since I’m in a small farming community, whichever church I join, I will be the youngest member at 60, so I’ll be doing all of the grunt work, LOL! ;)
Swim the Mississippi: Why Conservative Lutheranism is the Faith Tradition Many Evangelicals Seek
Issues, Etc., a Lutheran daily news and discussion program/podcast, talked to him the other day: 3042. The Appeal of Lutheranism to Evangelicals – Tom Raabe, 10/31/19
"Meh." I thought he slipped in unexamined assumptions that the really ought to be examined. I did not find his reasons compelling.
Nothing bizarre about it...totally accurate. JESUS only writings on this earth were some fingermarks in dirt. THE APOSTLES wrote down the structures you refer to, after having received them ORALLY (i.e. "tradition") from Christ before (and after) his Resurrection but before his Ascension (and, of course, by inspiration after his Ascension).
That is correct, and which I myself argue. Just because Catholicism abuses everything from Scripture to Christian art to a central magisterium as per Acts 15 (which I had just affirmed on another thread should be the idea but which idea Rome poisoned) is not a valid reason to necessarily reject such. Evangelicals have been foremost defenders of Scriptural Truths which Catholicism retained.
Yes there are places Luther did not get far enough from Rome,mostly in remaining amillenial. But I can excuse his lack of end time exposition as he was fighting for his life for daring to preach salvation by grace.
Luther did not intend to be a leader and chief theologian, and times and freedoms was not as today, and one must walk in the light one has and so more will be given.
All scripture is God breathed.
> I did not find his reasons compelling.
... other than refuting false doctrine ...
> Baptism is an actor faith and obedience
As was circumcision ... no wait, that happened (normally, not always!!) at infancy.
Not like infant baptism is an old practice going back to the beginning of Christianity or anything, is it?
Say, point me to your alternate early church history ok?
But hold on to your rationalism and have a nice day!
Sure it is. But Scripture is not the ONLY thing "God breathed". The Protestant "vision" is simply grossly too limited. God's "writings" totally surround us all the time. The biggest is "the Universe". "Sola scriptura" is simply ludicrous on its face when viewed against the bigger picture. "All that is True is of God". I don't know who said it, but whoever it was, was right.
Please join my Interfaith Christian Coalition Against Ecumenism. Thank you.
The problem with your view is that when something you think is true contradicts scripture, you are willing to abandon scripture.
Some folks see metaphor
others don’t
We’ve got a cannibalism-torture/’Native American’ thread going on FR right now.
No one has yet brought up the fact the Jesus’ body was not chopped up and served to the somewhat shaky ‘believers’.
Heck; Doubting Thomas wasn’t even instructed to lick his fingers for the desired effectiveness of Jessus’ blood.
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