What Is Better, Catholic or Protestant? Francis: “Both of Them Together”

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What Is Better, Catholic or Protestant? Francis: “Both of Them Together”

The Youth Pastoral Office of Magdeburg diocese, Germany, will organize an October 2020 “ecumenical pilgrimage” for young people to Rome.

The motto of the journey is “With Luther to the Pope”. A similar trip was already taken in 2016.

The pilgrimage is co-organized by the regional Protestant State church, although the Protestants repudiate pilgrimages.

On the trip's webpage Mit-Luther-zum-Papst.de, the tour operator, Hans Höffmann, remembers what Pope Francis said to the participants of the 2016 pilgrimage when asked by a youngster: "What is better, Catholic or Protestant? Francis answered in German: "Both of them together!”

Martin Luther attended school in Magdeburg as a boy. As a preacher, he led the city to defect from the Church. Magdeburg became the first major city to publish Luther’s writings.

[grey_whiskers]

You need to roll out the infrastructure and standards, provide security, backups, all those housekeeping things, it’ll be awhile yet.
And at any rate, it blows Hal Lindsey out of the water.

[ealgeone]

Very distinct possibility. They've bought into the message from the apparition.

What would be so difficult about buying into a "mark" to keep you fed, housed, etc.

[aMorePerfectUnion]

My standard isn’t Hal, a fallible man, wrong on things he should have known better than to proclaim... but he was right on many things.

This technology started with chipping pets more than a *decade ago*, and is used worldwide to identify and return pets.

Shelters and vets have chip readers already.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/on-leadership/wp/2017/04/04/some-swedish-workers-are-getting-microchips-implanted-in-their-hands/?noredirect=on

Is it the same as the mark? Maybe, or maybe not. Certainly a forerunner.

[aMorePerfectUnion]

“Very distinct possibility. They’ve bought into the message from the apparition.

I expect Rome to lead the new one world religion. They have already incorporated pagan practices, symbols, rituals, etc.

[Mark17]

The phrase “Mary is an addition channel of Grace.” does not appear ANYWHERE in Scripture.

I agree. It’s doesn’t, but then again, when did false religionists care whether something is in the Bible or not? 😁☝️🙃 Maybe some of them would rather play word games. 😁👍

[Elsie]

...Richard Nixon's former hatchet man, Chuck Colson's book Born Again, in 1976.

Chop chop!

I guess you are upset Chuck became a nasty PROT instead of a wonderful Catholic.

[Elsie]

"For it is written, brothers,...

Call no man father...

[Elsie]

Some Protestants declare in advance, even without finding out what was said, that ALL revelations whatsoever after the close of the New Testament, *must* be diabolical.

Large brush; small target: some.

Since the bible has NEVER been shown to be lacking in any way of not being able to get a sinner into heaven; the BEST one can say about any later 'revelation' is that it is redundant.

[Elsie]

You *gotta* stop falling for every Prottie fad, just because it gets wide promotion and airplay on Christian radio, mmmkay?

This Prottie eagerly awaits Vatican III!

[ealgeone]

I agree.

[Mrs. Don-o]

Come on, be fair.

I don't think anybody wanted to say Jesus is not his, or our, personal Lord and Savior; but just that the phrase "accepting Jesus Christ as your personal Lord and Savior" does not appear anywhere in Scripture as some kind of formula or summary statement of salvation.

If you want to select a summary statement, one could just as well select:

"God is Love,
and those who abide in Love, abide in God,
and God abides in them."

Or:

"Blessed are the Merciful, for they shall obtain Mercy."

It makes me wonder if we are justified in selecting just one "salvation" statement, when Jesus offers us multiples. They don't contradict each other, but they offer us ample perspectives, ample angles of approach, to give a fully-rounded view of what it means, not to be "saved" (as if that were a one-time thing), but rather to "remain" in Christ.

"Remain in me, and I will remain in you. No branch can bear fruit by itself; it must remain in the vine. Neither can you bear fruit unless you remain in me. (John 15:4 )

May we, as brothers and sisters, always abide in love, be merciful, and remain Him.

[Roman_War_Criminal]

Most beautiful words....Ever!
Yesterday my 6 year old son asked about life and how long it is in years. After my fumbled answer that we just don’t know how long we have, he said to me, “Daddy I don’t want to live that long, I want to be with Jesus very soon”.

The fleshy Father in me, was a bit disturbed at first by his answer - but my soul, deep inside smiled a great big smile.

May we all get that “very soon meeting with Jesus” in the clouds. God Bless!

[ealgeone]

Come on, be fair. I don't think anybody wanted to say Jesus is not his, or our, personal Lord and Savior; but just that the phrase "accepting Jesus Christ as your personal Lord and Savior" does not appear anywhere in Scripture as some kind of formula or summary statement of salvation.

I am being fair. I've seen more than one of your fellow RCs seemingly dismiss this concept.

And it fits the RC narrative of the latter Medieval period of Jesus being the harsh judge and Mary being the kind, loving mom.

[Mrs. Don-o]

I must apologize to you here, metmom, because I tripped over my big feet when I used the word "literally." "Literally" does not appear in the Scripture. The words which appear in John 6 are "real/really" and "true/truly." Some translations use the word "indeed."

He says His flesh and blood are food and drink "indeed," just as the same translation says He is "risen indeed."

I'm making a distinction here between "really, truly, indeed" and "literally," because "really, truly, indeed" is not only stronger than "symbolically," it's actually even stronger than "literally".

"Literally" can make you think of, say "medically." For instance, if I said "You who are in Christ, you literally will not die," -- that could be taken as "You will not medically die," which is wrong. Believers in Christ do die medically.

But if I were to say, "You will not really and truly die, it indicates, not that you will never succumb to a fatal bodily disease, but that "medical definition of death" does not cover what we mean by "really" living and "really" dying.

Besides, as we were discussion here:

https://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/3769002/posts?page=341#341

\.. there's this element of synechdoche. That means saying a part, while meaning the whole,such as "All hands on deck!" which means whole men, not hands; or as Jesus said, "My Flesh," by which he mean, not chunks of dead muscle meat, carne (or Greek "sarx") ALONE, but His whole, entire, living, divine Self.

This is what He offers us: not a cannibal chili con carne, but His whole entire Self, under the forms of Bread and Wine.

This is not literal (in the sense of medical), nor is it merely symbolic (in the sense of a token, a memento), but --- a third term--- it is Sacramental, which means really and truly His Body and Blood Indeed: and since it means Him whole and living, it means INDEED His body, blood, soul and divinity.

This is His Body INDEED, just as He is risen INDEED. It's more than His body as we once knew it, but it's never LESS than His Body.

That much I think we can agree on: we participate in His One-time sacrifice, and receive Him whole, our Incarnate Lord.

My prayer for YOU is in the tagline.

[Mrs. Don-o]

The distortion in the way you express this, results from not seeing the whole picture It’s the Six Blind Men and the Elephant again.<>

“But an Elephant is just a like a rope! I insist, it’s a rope!”

[Mom MD]

amen and amen

[Mom MD]

Body and Blood absolutely. Soul and divinity? That’s going WAY outside the scriptures

[Mrs. Don-o]

Oh my, dear Mom MD--- Is Jesus alive,or not?

And if Jesus is alive, doesn't that mean that He is complete? Body, blood, Soul, and Divinity?

Didn't He say He's not some kind of bodiless spook? "Look at my hands and my feet. It is I myself! Touch me and see; a ghost does not have flesh and bones, as you see I have." (Luke 24:39)

Blessing to you (tagline)

[Mrs. Don-o]

Help me understand this better. Do you say, then, that the Living Christ has no soul or divinity?

[MHGinTN]

You are illustrating the Truth that a dead soul cannot discern spiritual truth. Thank you for the assistance. ... Don’t accept the MArk of the Beast when commanded to you.