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To: metmom; grey_whiskers
I must apologize to you here, metmom, because I tripped over my big feet when I used the word "literally." "Literally" does not appear in the Scripture. The words which appear in John 6 are "real/really" and "true/truly." Some translations use the word "indeed."

He says His flesh and blood are food and drink "indeed," just as the same translation says He is "risen indeed."

I'm making a distinction here between "really, truly, indeed" and "literally," because "really, truly, indeed" is not only stronger than "symbolically," it's actually even stronger than "literally".

"Literally" can make you think of, say "medically." For instance, if I said "You who are in Christ, you literally will not die," -- that could be taken as "You will not medically die," which is wrong. Believers in Christ do die medically.

But if I were to say, "You will not really and truly die, it indicates, not that you will never succumb to a fatal bodily disease, but that "medical definition of death" does not cover what we mean by "really" living and "really" dying.

Besides, as we were discussion here:

https://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/3769002/posts?page=341#341

\.. there's this element of synechdoche. That means saying a part, while meaning the whole,such as "All hands on deck!" which means whole men, not hands; or as Jesus said, "My Flesh," by which he mean, not chunks of dead muscle meat, carne (or Greek "sarx") ALONE, but His whole, entire, living, divine Self.

This is what He offers us: not a cannibal chili con carne, but His whole entire Self, under the forms of Bread and Wine.

This is not literal (in the sense of medical), nor is it merely symbolic (in the sense of a token, a memento), but --- a third term--- it is Sacramental, which means really and truly His Body and Blood Indeed: and since it means Him whole and living, it means INDEED His body, blood, soul and divinity.

This is His Body INDEED, just as He is risen INDEED. It's more than His body as we once knew it, but it's never LESS than His Body.

That much I think we can agree on: we participate in His One-time sacrifice, and receive Him whole, our Incarnate Lord.

My prayer for YOU is in the tagline.

394 posted on 08/08/2019 8:53:46 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("May the LORD bless you and keep you; may the Lord turn to you his countenance, and give you peace.")
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Body and Blood absolutely. Soul and divinity? That’s going WAY outside the scriptures


397 posted on 08/08/2019 9:16:41 AM PDT by Mom MD
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Read the tenth chapter of John’s Gospel; is Jesus a brush or wooden gate? Twist the Scriptures some more, you might actually twist around enough to find The Truth. Don’t take the MArk of the Beast.


401 posted on 08/08/2019 10:05:24 AM PDT by MHGinTN (A dispensation perspective is a powerful tool for discernment)
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