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1 posted on 05/23/2018 10:19:09 PM PDT by Cronos
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This guy is not trying to make excuses, and is calling out his own denomination to address these problems in compliance with Biblical and legal requirements.


2 posted on 05/23/2018 10:27:40 PM PDT by WASCWatch
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This Southern Baptist has no idea what he is talking about. So I looked it up:

“Paige Patterson, a prominent Southern Baptist leader, has been removed from his position as president of a Texas seminary following allegations that he made abusive and demeaning comments to women.

Patterson, 75, has been heavily criticized over his past comments about women. According to The Washington Post, he encouraged abused women to stay with their husbands, implored female seminarians to look more attractive and commented on an “attractive” teenage girl’s appearance.

Patterson, a former president of the Southern Baptist Convention, also allegedly told a rape victim to forgive her assailant and not report the assault to police, a woman told The Washington Post earlier this week.”

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/05/23/southern-baptist-leader-paige-patterson-removed-over-complaints-dangerous-advice-to-abuse-victims.html

How that is supposed to be comparable to homosexual priests and priests who were protected while pedophiles, I don’t know. I’m not seeing the moral equivalence.

For one thing, per Baptist theology, Paige Patterson is just a pastor. One of tens of thousands of baptist pastors, and no more important than any other. He headed a seminary. He was once a president - but he was elected president without anyone knowing of these comments, and as president had ZERO authority over any other baptist church.

There has been no cover-up. Paige Patterson has come out and said, “ I wish to apologize to every woman who has been wounded by anything I have said that was inappropriate or that lacked clarity. We live in a world of hurt and sorrow, and the last thing that I need to do is add to anyone’s heartache. Please forgive the failure to be as thoughtful and careful in my extemporaneous expression as I should have been.

I would also like to reiterate the simple truth that I utterly reject any form of abuse in demeaning or threatening talk, in physical blows, or in forced sexual acts. There is no excuse for anyone to use intemperate language or to attempt to injure another person. The Spirit of Christ is one of comfort, kindness, encouragement, truth, and grace; and that is what I desire my voice always to be.

To all people I offer my apology, but especially to women, to the family of Southern Baptists, my friends and the churches. I sincerely pray that somehow this apology will show my heart and may strengthen you in the love and graciousness of Christ.”

https://swbts.edu/news/releases/apology-gods-people/

And third, while his counseling might be wrong - as any pastor’s counseling may be wrong - there is a big difference between telling a woman to pray for an abusive husband, and raping little boys.

I think a woman being abused should separate from her husband. The marriage may or may not be possible to save, but she needs to be safe while saving it is tried. But it would be odd if Roman Catholics are arguing to divorce as a first reaction.


3 posted on 05/23/2018 10:42:01 PM PDT by Mr Rogers (Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools)
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“The Southern Baptist Convention is on trial, and our public credibility is at stake.”

I have not heard anything about this. I hope they work it out without all the drama. Just hire a few leaders with integrity and decrease the power of the slackers.


6 posted on 05/23/2018 11:31:04 PM PDT by Falconspeed ("Keep your fears to yourself, but share your courage with others." Robert Louis Stevenson (1850-94))
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If he looked around the seminary and saw that the women made no effort to be attractive, good for him! Contemporary evangelicals extol slovenliness in men and women. And if he saw a female student who made the effort to be more "comely" than the horsey-dykes in sweatpants and sandals and used her as an example, three strong cheers.

I've had it with the look-like-a-slob charismatic approach to Christianity. Let these jerks be offended!
12 posted on 05/24/2018 2:02:24 AM PDT by EliRoom8
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Regarding this seminary president's attempt at getting the seminarians to "clean up" a bit:

I teach at a Christian school in an East European country and am in disbelief at the utterly ugly dress of the "evangelical" students. The students at the secular state schools put far more time and effort into "looking presentable" than these ex-pat hipsters. Thank God the Koreans haven't caved into contemporary culture.

Some of these females look like they walked out of a gay/lesbo bar in Arkansas. Nothing done with make-up, nothing done with dress, nothing done with the hair. Coyote ugly!
13 posted on 05/24/2018 2:42:31 AM PDT by EliRoom8
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“Evangelicals, we can no longer say sexual misconduct is just a Roman Catholic problem.”

As if there was ever any justification to say that. As if evil has any religious boundaries.


18 posted on 05/24/2018 3:24:38 AM PDT by jacknhoo (Luke 12:51; Think ye, that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, no; but separation.)
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This is the best you can do in damage control? Somehow "a sermon illustration from years ago included advice that a battered wife remain in the home and the marriage in hope of the conversion of her abusive husband," and who apologized for it, is akin to the long-term organized hierarchical cover-ups of sexual abuse, mainly of boys, lawyered opposition to victims, and even rewarding Bernard Law with a Vatican post? And denial of divorce to battered women is somehow different in Rome?

Surely and sadly there is much, maybe as much, sexual abuse in Prot churches, if not predominantly of the same kind, but the articles does not mention that while Forgotten Study: Abuse in School 100 Times Worse than by Priests ...

22 posted on 05/24/2018 3:38:47 AM PDT by daniel1212 (Trust the risen Lord Jesus to save you as a damned and destitute sinner + be baptized + follow Him)
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Meanwhile, LGBT Community Cheers Pope's 'God Made You Like This' Remark, thus requiring another "clarification" and interpretation of the chief interpreter.

And your focus is on a president of a Texas seminary who upheld martial vows and faith (though at least intervention is called for in such a case).

24 posted on 05/24/2018 3:53:57 AM PDT by daniel1212 (Trust the risen Lord Jesus to save you as a damned and destitute sinner + be baptized + follow Him)
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I grew up Southern Baptist and I’ve heard that crap from the pulpit too.


34 posted on 05/24/2018 4:31:52 AM PDT by mom4melody (,)
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The church is dead and God will judge them first.


44 posted on 05/24/2018 4:58:11 AM PDT by bmwcyle (People who do not study history are destine to believe really ignorant statements.)
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From the article:

Patterson rose to prominence in the 1970s while leading a conservative takeover of the Baptist Convention. He helped pass resolutions banning women as pastors and taught that women should be submissive to their husbands.

I'm not defending Patterson's comments as I don't know what they were....but I suspect his above position on banning women pastors and wives submitting to their husbands has a lot to do with this.

One of the goals of the Left is to get women into the pastor role. The SBC is one of the few remaining denominations to hold the Biblical line on this issue.

49 posted on 05/24/2018 5:09:21 AM PDT by ealgeone
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This is a hit piece on Southern Baptists because they support President Trump “big league.”If they’d have put Hillary in office, this would never have appeared in the media.
EVERYTHING is political now, in the months preceding the life-and-death election in November, so be wise and keep your eyes on the goal.


65 posted on 05/24/2018 5:58:54 AM PDT by txrefugee
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This ‘news’ causes me no heartburn; for I follow Apollo!


69 posted on 05/24/2018 6:18:48 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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A southern Baptist thinking that only Roman Catholics have sexual deviations within their church is embarrassing on its face and shows a YUGE lack of biblical understanding.


70 posted on 05/24/2018 7:24:26 AM PDT by Delta 21 (Build The Wall !! Jail The Cankle !!)
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While I have the utmost respect for Al Mohler, a few examples would have been helpful in this article. I have no idea what he is talking about. The bureacratic structure of the Catholic priesthood is far different than Protestant churches. To my knowledge we don’t shuffle bad pastors around nor excuse their behavior.


83 posted on 05/24/2018 6:32:37 PM PDT by HarleyD ("There are very few shades of grey."-Dr. Eckleburg)
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People put too much spiritual power and unearned respect for high character into church figures and that makes them easy victims for abuse. What’s done in the dark should be brought to the light and evil is shattered. Until recently, we have not acknowledged that men and boys are victims, too. We do not support them.

We should also know that powerful ministers and their families are open season for Satan and we should pray that God give the strength to recognize it and cast it out on the power and authority of Jesus.


87 posted on 05/24/2018 9:14:11 PM PDT by SaraJohnson ( Whites must sue for racism. It's pay day.)
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The humiliation of the Southern Baptist convention
Clay County Baptist pastor accused of sexual battery of child
Fox News Report
In fundamentalist and evangelical churches -- sexual abuse
Other non-Catholic churches and sexual abuse
104 posted on 05/26/2018 7:03:26 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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If this guy didn’t see this coming then he ain’t paying attention


109 posted on 06/02/2018 3:21:49 PM PDT by Nifster (I see puppy dogs in the clouds)
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