Posted on 05/23/2018 10:19:09 PM PDT by Cronos
Evangelicals, we can no longer say sexual misconduct is just a Roman Catholic problem. At one of our seminaries, controversy has centered on a president (now former president) whose sermon illustration from years ago included advice that a battered wife remain in the home and the marriage in hope of the conversion of her abusive husband. Other comments represented the objectification of a teenage girl. The issues only grew more urgent with the sense that the dated statements represented ongoing advice and counsel.
..We thought this was a Roman Catholic problem.
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When people said that evangelicals had a similar crisis coming, it didn’t seem plausible—even to me. I have been president of the Southern Baptist Theological Seminary for 25 years. I did not see this coming.
..We cannot blame a requirement of priestly celibacy. We cannot even point to an organized conspiracy of silence within the denominational hierarchy. No, our humiliation comes as a result of an unorganized conspiracy of silence. Sadly, the unorganized nature of our problem may make recovery and correction even more difficult and the silence even more dangerous.
...This is just a foretaste of the wrath of God poured out. This moment requires the very best of us. The Southern Baptist Convention is on trial, and our public credibility is at stake. May God have mercy on us all.
(Excerpt) Read more at christianitytoday.com ...
Maybe he sees it as the tip of the iceberg?
While that may be true, it was appropriated to be a distinction from the liberal wings of certain denominations. Like the term deplorable, and even Christian.
Reading their history is fascinating and sad when you realize that they are just a rebirth of a heresy that died out in the 1st or 2nd century
The Free market is a sub-set of Capitalism. Free market is mainly concerned with wealth exchange while capitalism leans more on wealth creation.
This is a hit piece on Southern Baptists because they support President Trump “big league.”If they’d have put Hillary in office, this would never have appeared in the media.
EVERYTHING is political now, in the months preceding the life-and-death election in November, so be wise and keep your eyes on the goal.
Actually, most evangelicals DO hold to creeds, though some not officially. Baptists & other generic evangelicals can easily agree to all points of the Apostles or Nicene Creeds—even if they don’t recite them in worship, or claim to abide by them. As such, evangelicals are ALL trinitarian—and do not include people like oneness Pentecostals.
Justification by grace alone is not the only thing evangelicals hold in common.
Thank you.
bingo
This ‘news’ causes me no heartburn; for I follow Apollo!
A southern Baptist thinking that only Roman Catholics have sexual deviations within their church is embarrassing on its face and shows a YUGE lack of biblical understanding.
One of the goals of the Left is to get women into the pastor role. The SBC is one of the few remaining denominations to hold the Biblical line on this issue.
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Sad but true. SBC and LCMS off the top of my head. Roman Catholics too if you count their priests as being in the pastoral role.
Any others?
“I’ll just repeat the points raised by Mr. Mohler — Albert Mohler is the president of Southern Baptist Theological Seminary”
I’ve never liked Mohler. Maybe now I know why. He’s hyperventilating and caving in to SJW-types who reject the teaching of the Bible:
“22 Wives, submit to your husbands as to the Lord, 23 because the husband is the head of the wife as Christ is the head of the church. He is the Savior of the body. 24 Now as the church submits to Christ, so also wives are to submit to their husbands in everything. 25 Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ loved the church and gave himself for her 26 to make her holy, cleansing her with the washing of water by the word. 27 He did this to present the church to himself in splendor, without spot or wrinkle or anything like that, but holy and blameless. 28 In the same way, husbands are to love their wives as their own bodies.” - Ephesians 5
This is not, in any way, some sort of great scandal. This is the MeToo nonsense trying to reject the clear teaching of God, and making up silly excuses to do so.
“We thought this was a Roman Catholic problem.”
Mohler has gone off the deep end. First, sexual misconduct is found in ANY religious organization. There have always been pastors who have engaged in adultery, etc. Very few in the SBC have buggered young boys, but I’m sure it has happened - with 45,000++ preachers!
But what has Paige Patterson done? Used a bad example of counseling in a sermon. Noticing that teen boys find teen girls attractive - and not pretending that old guys do not. He didn’t touch anyone. He isn’t accused of sexual assault or trying to get anyone to go to bed with him. He sure isn’t accused of trying to hide pedophilia in his church.
Mohler needs to get a grip! He is playing into Satan’s hands. Given the sheer numbers of Baptist preachers...some will make mistakes, and some will do evil - as we all do sometimes. But at worst, Paige Patterson has been guilty of giving bad advice. Who hasn’t at some time?
Someone needs to hand Mohler some smelling salts and tell him to grow up. I haven’t seen any accusation against Paige Patterson that merits deep concern, let alone comparison to deliberate concealment of pedophilia and allowing it to continue!
“... told a rape victim to forgive her assailant and not report the assault to police, ...”
Telling her to forgive her attacker is just scriptural. We ARE called on to forgive those who do us wrong.
Telling her not to report the assault? Pee poor advice. But since the SBC had no hierarchy, and since no SBC pastor can claim to be speaking for God...it is just bad advice. And it was not intended to hide wrong-doing within his church’s leadership.
Giving bad advice is not sin. It is just being human. But the SBC had no structure that makes a pastor’s advice anything other than “advice”. No SBC preacher is a priest standing in for God. No SBC preacher claims to forgive sin on behalf of God, except for sins against himself alone. It was just bad advice.
Patterson may or may not have made those statements or they may or may not have been taken out of context.
Mohler is a pushy camera addict and often shoots from his lip and thinks later!
I've never met a SBC pastor who claimed to be speaking FOR God unless he was directly quoting scripture. And when they are giving their opinion, the pastors I've known made it clear it was MY decision, not theirs.
That may be a difference between Baptists and Catholics.
“If one does not claim to be speaking for God one has no authority.”
If someone claims to be speaking for God, and they are NOT quoting scripture, RUN!
In specific and rather rare cases, God uses prophets. Not often.
And Baptist preachers would tell you their authority is limited to what scripture reveals. You can trust their judgment as a man of God, or not. You get counsel from them, not commands. They won’t tell you to say 9 Hail Marys and be forgiven...
They have no authority, as your previous comments made clear.
They don’t CLAIM divine authority. Unlike bishops who have protected pedophiles, and unlike Pope Francis...
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