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The oldest known Marian prayer is from Egypt
Aletelia ^
| April 28, 2017
| Philip Kosloski
Posted on 04/29/2017 8:02:13 AM PDT by NYer
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To: Fedora
It is like asking for prayers from family or friends.
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posted on
04/30/2017 2:48:19 PM PDT
by
Biggirl
("One Lord, one faith, one baptism5" - Ephesians 4:5)
To: Biggirl
God inspired the Bible writers and the Church put the Canon of the Bible together. This is from the First Vatican Council....it's Roman Catholic. It contradicts what your position in regards to the "Church" and by that you mean the RCC.Chapter 2 On revelation
7. These books the Church holds to be sacred and canonical not because she subsequently approved them by her authority after they had been composed by unaided human skill, nor simply because they contain revelation without error, but because, being written under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit, they have God as their author, and were as such committed to the Church.
https://www.ewtn.com/library/councils/v1.htm
The ekklesia, the body of believers, which is different than the RCC, through the guidance of the Holy Spirit, was responsible for deciding which books were or were not canon.
Rome didn't decide their canon until Trent.
To: caww
YEs! Of course! And what did Judge Dredd say? "I knew you'd say that." 🎤🎧☃️🇸🇽 I guess I can avoid this. 🔥 That's a good thing. 😀😆😄😃
183
posted on
04/30/2017 2:58:07 PM PDT
by
Mark17
(Genesis chapter 1 verse 1. In the beginning GOD....And the rest, as they say, is history)
To: xzins
“4And the smoke of the incense, with the prayers of the saints”
No indication in the text that anyone on earth prayed to a saint for n heaven.
What else do you want to put forth for discussion FRiend?
To: nobamanomore
To: aMorePerfectUnion
Regardless of any answer I could supply, it remains that; the passage of NT scripture you had cited in post #61 does not in anyway falsify the statement -- which statement was;
No Jewish or Christian prayer is ever recorded in Scripture that addresses anyone but God.
Post 61 proved that aMorePerfectUnion's assertion was false. The rich man prayed to "Father Abraham."
aMorePerfectUnion did not qualify the assertion with "to anyone in heaven" so your assertion is false.
186
posted on
04/30/2017 3:35:35 PM PDT
by
af_vet_1981
(The bus came by and I got on, That's when it all began.)
To: BlueDragon; aMorePerfectUnion
Regardless of any answer I could supply, it remains that; the passage of NT scripture you had cited in post #61 does not in anyway falsify the statement -- which statement was;
No Jewish or Christian prayer is ever recorded in Scripture that addresses anyone but God.
Post 61 proved that aMorePerfectUnion's assertion was false. The rich man prayed to "Father Abraham."
aMorePerfectUnion did not qualify the assertion with "to anyone in heaven" so your assertion is false.
187
posted on
04/30/2017 3:36:37 PM PDT
by
af_vet_1981
(The bus came by and I got on, That's when it all began.)
To: af_vet_1981
“The rich man prayed to “Father Abraham.”
No prayer involved at all. Just dead people talking to each other in a parable.
No one on earth praying to anyone in heaven.
You’ve yet to show that actually happened. What else do you have to discuss FRiend?
To: af_vet_1981
You cannot be that dense ... where was father Abraham and where was the rich man? Really, the hoops catholic apologists arrange to jump through is sometimes actually comical ... sometimes.
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posted on
04/30/2017 3:41:00 PM PDT
by
MHGinTN
(A dispensational perspective is a powerful tool for discernment)
To: aMorePerfectUnion
2. No Jewish or Christian prayer is ever recorded in Scripture that addresses anyone but God.
9 posted on 4/29/2017, 11:52:36 AM by aMorePerfectUnion
As I proved in post 61, from the scriptures,
"Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame. "
What you wrote was false, demonstrably so; your comment contained no qualification about heaven, earth, hades, or gehenna.
190
posted on
04/30/2017 3:49:47 PM PDT
by
af_vet_1981
(The bus came by and I got on, That's when it all began.)
To: BlessedBeGod
What is it about Protestants that make them think that Catholics give a d*** what they think about the Catholic Church?Oh; I'd saying reading responses from Catholics on threads like this one might give some kind of clue.
191
posted on
04/30/2017 3:59:43 PM PDT
by
Elsie
(Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
To: Biggirl
Because Protestants claim they are right.When EVERYONE knows that only Catholics are.
192
posted on
04/30/2017 4:00:24 PM PDT
by
Elsie
(Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
To: aMorePerfectUnion
What is it about Catholics that they post open discussion threads and then complain when discussion happens? They thought they wuz jess preachin' to the choir?
193
posted on
04/30/2017 4:01:18 PM PDT
by
Elsie
(Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
To: ZULU
Nothing makes Islamists happier than seeing Christians rip each other up.and...
Nothing makes Christians happier than seeing Islamic groups rip each other up.
He will be a wild donkey of a man; his hand will be against everyone and everyone's hand against him, and he will live in hostility toward all his brothers."
Genesis 16:12
194
posted on
04/30/2017 4:03:02 PM PDT
by
Elsie
(Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
To: ealgeone
195
posted on
04/30/2017 4:03:48 PM PDT
by
Elsie
(Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
To: af_vet_1981
Once again; the PHRASE “Mother of GOD” is NOT shown to be found ANYWHERE in the Bible.
196
posted on
04/30/2017 4:05:21 PM PDT
by
Elsie
(Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
To: af_vet_1981
“What you wrote was false, demonstrably so; your comment contained no qualification about heaven, earth, hades, or gehenna.”
You are posting a falsehood amigo.
You have yet to prove it wasn’t a story.
You haven’t demonstrated a prayer - just a conversation in a story.
You must do both, if you hope to pass this off as a refutation. You haven’t done either yet.
Keep trying FRiend!
To: daniel1212
What? How does communication btwn to persons in the same realm outside of Heaven translate into praying to invisible created beings in Heaven from earth??? Unlike God, who alone is shown able to hear all prayer in Heaven, I only see two-way communication btwn other persons as both somehow actually being in the same realm, and apparently visibly so as i recall.
You have further restricted the question to invisible created beings in Heaven from earth. Now that is a tall order. - Created being, check,
- Invisible as in no longer visible, check.
- Saint in heaven, check.
- Caller on earth, check.
- Made a request or prayer, check.
- Got an answer, check.
- Gave the glory to God, check.
- What's not to like ?
The saint carried the request to heaven, the one who prayed remained on earth and called out to the saint, and the prayer was answered from heaven.
And it came to pass, when the Lord would take up Elijah into heaven by a whirlwind, that Elijah went with Elisha from Gilgal. And Elijah said unto Elisha, Tarry here, I pray thee; for the Lord hath sent me to Bethel. And Elisha said unto him, As the Lord liveth, and as thy soul liveth, I will not leave thee. So they went down to Bethel. And the sons of the prophets that were at Bethel came forth to Elisha, and said unto him, Knowest thou that the Lord will take away thy master from thy head to day? And he said, Yea, I know it; hold ye your peace. And Elijah said unto him, Elisha, tarry here, I pray thee; for the Lord hath sent me to Jericho. And he said, As the Lord liveth, and as thy soul liveth, I will not leave thee. So they came to Jericho. And the sons of the prophets that were at Jericho came to Elisha, and said unto him, Knowest thou that the Lord will take away thy master from thy head to day? And he answered, Yea, I know it; hold ye your peace. And Elijah said unto him, Tarry, I pray thee, here; for the Lord hath sent me to Jordan. And he said, As the Lord liveth, and as thy soul liveth, I will not leave thee. And they two went on. And fifty men of the sons of the prophets went, and stood to view afar off: and they two stood by Jordan. And Elijah took his mantle, and wrapped it together, and smote the waters, and they were divided hither and thither, so that they two went over on dry ground. And it came to pass, when they were gone over, that Elijah said unto Elisha, Ask what I shall do for thee, before I be taken away from thee. And Elisha said, I pray thee, let a double portion of thy spirit be upon me. And he said, Thou hast asked a hard thing: nevertheless, if thou see me when I am taken from thee, it shall be so unto thee; but if not, it shall not be so. And it came to pass, as they still went on, and talked, that, behold, there appeared a chariot of fire, and horses of fire, and parted them both asunder; and Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven. And Elisha saw it, and he cried, My father, my father, the chariot of Israel, and the horsemen thereof. And he saw him no more: and he took hold of his own clothes, and rent them in two pieces. He took up also the mantle of Elijah that fell from him, and went back, and stood by the bank of Jordan; And he took the mantle of Elijah that fell from him, and smote the waters, and said, Where is the Lord God of Elijah? and when he also had smitten the waters, they parted hither and thither: and Elisha went over. And when the sons of the prophets which were to view at Jericho saw him, they said, The spirit of Elijah doth rest on Elisha. And they came to meet him, and bowed themselves to the ground before him.
Second Kings, Catholic chapter two, Protestant verses one to fifteen,
as authorized, but not authored, by King James
198
posted on
04/30/2017 4:10:51 PM PDT
by
af_vet_1981
(The bus came by and I got on, That's when it all began.)
To: af_vet_1981
199
posted on
04/30/2017 4:14:25 PM PDT
by
Elsie
(Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
To: af_vet_1981
Historicity is a very strong argument against Protestantism; for Protestantism to be valid one must admit that the church Jesus built failed, failed for most of history, and then the Protestant replica churches failed as well.
You mean those 7 CATHOLIC churches the angel told John to write to??
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posted on
04/30/2017 4:16:09 PM PDT
by
Elsie
(Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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