Jesuit Leader: No One Recorded Jesus' Words on Marriage, It's 'Nuanced,' Never 'Black and White'

CNS News ^ | April 3,2017 | Michael W. Chapman

[Robwin]

Although the Catholic Church has taught since its inception that marriage is between one man and one woman for life, the new superior of the worldwide Jesuit religious order, Fr. Arturo Sosa Abascal, claims that despite Jesus Christ's words about marriage (Matthew 19: 3-9), "no one had a recorder to take down his words," which must be "contextualized," and that doctrine implies a "hardness" like "stone" while "human reality is much more nuanced" and "never black and white."

Fr. Absacal, from Venezuela, was elected superior of the Jesuits, the Society of Jesus, in October. The Catholic religious order for men dates back to the year 1540, when it was founded by St. Ignatious of Loyola. It is the largest religious order in the Catholic Church. Although the Jesuits for centuries were considered the shock troops of the Vatican and their superior dubbed the "Black Pope" because of his influence, the religious order has grown very liberal, modernist over the last 60 years. Rev. Jorge Bergoglio, the current Pope Francis, is a Jesuit.

[Artcore]

What is it with these Jesuits like Francis?

[48th SPS Crusader]

Why does that matter? We KNOW what God’s Word is and God is still God.

[Tonytitan]

No one ever recorded on video Peter in Rome in his role as the “first Pope” either. That door swings both ways, baby!

[dp0622]

yeah and he doesn’t change, just like the Bible and the Constitution. I like them that way.

[TheNext]

Jesuits are communists. Are there any decent groups to join anymore?

[SkyPilot]

Matthew 19:4 He said to them, “Have you not read that He Who made them in the first place made them man and woman? 5 It says, ‘For this reason a man will leave his father and his mother and will live with his wife. The two will become one.’ 6 So they are no longer two but one. Let no man divide what God has put together.”

Yup. AND these heretics forget three other facts that destroy their argument:

1. Jesus is God (John 10:30, Philippians 2: 5-6, John 17:21, John 1:18).

2. Jesus is God's Word in the flesh (John 1:14), and God's Word is and was God (John 1:1).

3. Jesus came to fulfill the Word, and said nothing would be taken away from it (Matthew 5:18)

Therefore, Jesus spoke directly against homosexuality in His Word. He spoke for marriage between a man and a woman, and that marriage was something He created.

These foul Jesuits (Pope Jorge included) could not pass an exam on basic Biblical scholarship, much less preach to the rest of us what God's Word states regarding marriage.

Something tells me they have their own agenda. And it ain't heterosexual marriage.

[SkyPilot]

[SoFloFreeper]

+1

you have it exactly correct.

[castlegreyskull]

There are many parts of the Bible, that I don’t quite get, and have a hard time using my private interpretation. However, as far as the subject of homosexuality and marriage, I don’t think it can get any plainer.

They have Satan’s agenda. I compare myself to Christ, for which I fell well short, but I don’t twist the Biblical word to condone my Sins. They do. They twisted the Gospel for itching ears. Plenty of those.

[PIF]

“Did God really say?” — Serpent in the Garden

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Actually, it was said in a different language and much later after passing through still more languages was translated into English.

What was actually said can only be understood in the original language and only then if the reader understands the culture from which the language arose ... unfortunately, no one remembers that culture ...

[NorthstarMom]

It always comes back to that. People claiming to be followers of Christ who then use Satan’s method to lead people astray.

[Candor7]

According to interpretation of the Lost Gospel the 2014 book by Simcha Jacobovici and Barrie Wilson. Jesus was married and had children by Mary Magdalene.

So there is a lot of information about biblical marriage hanging around. Men did not seem to marry men or donkeys , for example, and there were defined unclean acts in the Old Testament , indicative of Sodom and Gomorrah.

Leviticus 18:22

The text of 18:22 :

“Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.” KJV
‘You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; it is an abomination.’ Revised Standard Version and English Standard Version
‘And with a male thou dost not lie as one lieth with a woman; abomination it [is].’ Youngs Literal Translation
‘Do not have sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman: that is detestable’ CEV

But sometimes God seems to lean on men to lie with others not their wives:

In Genesis chapter 38, Tamar is first described as marrying Judah’s eldest son, Er. Because of his wickedness, Er was killed by God.[2] By way of a Levirate union,[3] Judah asked his second son, Onan, to provide offspring for Tamar so that the family line might continue. Onan performed coitus interruptus. His actions were deemed wicked by God and so, like his older brother, he died prematurely.

[NorthstarMom]

Are you saying that God didn’t divinely inspire and preserve His Word through the centuries?

[TalBlack]

GOD had a “recorder”. If this fool’s god couldn’t make His law known He is no god. This sort of self-serving sophistry is emparassing. I’m getting damned tired of the lying, mealy mouthed, Evil sons of bitches.

[I want the USA back]

Liberalism is killing the Church.

[Diapason]

“But sometimes God seems to lean on men to lie with others not their wives”

The Levirate union was a marriage, therefore the woman was his wife.

[PIF]

Yep. Make of it what you will. Divine inspiration in religious writers always has had a political motive and huge errors in translation - at least historically. Sorry but not a lock step religious person here - history is what history is. And it is not centuries but millennia.

[GOPJ]

Fr. Arturo Sosa Abascal:, "Cellphones didn't exist thousands of years ago - - Moses might have been too strident with his 'black and white' interpretation of the Ten Commandments.

The more 'nuanced' version"

I am the Lord thy God! Thou shalt have no other Gods but me - except very popular BMOCH - 'Big Man On Church Hierarchy" types....

Thou shalt not take the Name of the Lord thy God in vain - unless 'thou' is ticked off at people not politically correct.

Thou shalt keep the Sabbath Day holy - or Whatever...

Thou shalt not commit adultery unless thou is transgener, gay or a straight person who's a victim of ones' own sexual fantasy... in short, if it 'feels good, do it'.

Thou shalt not steal from those who can call you out as a thief or scammer or an Elmer Gantry...

Fr. Arturo Sosa Abascal questions the whole Mount Sinai and 'Moses' story - after all there's no video of Moses...

[Wuli]

No surprise - Birds of a feather

[stevio]

Jesus never talked about marrying animals or robots, guess that’s ok too. /s