Posted on 03/05/2017 4:19:59 PM PST by bogusname
The Bible informs the wise that the Shroud Of Turin is a Fake. There is no room for debate. The matter is settled. End Of Story
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>> “Why should I care?” <<
Other than as a recognition that christianity, a man made religion, is a poor facsimile of the true worship followed by Yeshua and his disciples and apostles, you do well to disregard such irrelevant ‘controversy.’
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What bullshit...you’re a fool.
Turn away from your satanism...
You’re to involved with satan to understand God’s word. Seek repentance and pray for your souls sake.
Is that you, Poppy?
Hey Swordmaker, you still involved in Shroud related things?
Hey Swordmaker, you still involved in Shroud related things?
Would the man on the shroud stand out or blend in with the common Jewish man of that time? And didn’t the armed soldiers need someone to identify Jesus from among the crowd in the garden that night?
When Judas and his supporters arrived in the garden he identified our savior with a greeting and a kiss on the cheek. At that moment the soldiers stepped forward and arrested Jesus.
So if the man on the shroud did NOT look like a Jew of that time, the shroud might be a fake. Think about it...and decide for yourself.
Would the man on the shroud stand out or blend in with the common Jewish man of that time? And didn’t the armed soldiers need someone to identify Jesus from among the crowd in the garden that night?
When Judas and his supporters arrived in the garden he identified our savior with a greeting and a kiss on the cheek. At that moment the soldiers stepped forward and arrested Jesus.
So if the man on the shroud did NOT look like a Jew of that time, the shroud might be a fake. Think about it...and decide for yourself.
I never said a word about “explanations.” I referred to evidence.
Shroud of Turin PING!
The physiologists and forensic pathologists who have studied the man on the image on the Shroud have stated he was a muscular, ROBUST person who most like is a genotype of a what is now referred to as a High Noble Semite, a middle eastern genotype who did physical labor who was well muscled, who stood 70" tall. He was not by any means "pampered." Your claim that he at all has "feminine" hips is completely false according to scientific examination, none of which has found anything feminine about the measurements in the image. This image is literally the single most studied object in history and you and your YouTube author have the temerity to make bogus, false claims that are easily proved to be exactly that. They are merely opinions not borne out by any studies, anywhere, except someone's unproven statement.
As for the 100 lbs of spices (or was it only 75 lbs—some Biblical source place it at that), they were packed AROUND the body, and the shroud was laid over both them and the body. Why were the women bringing MORE on the morning when the empty Tomb was discovered? Was it because not all of the purchased amount was used on Friday night because the interment had to be rushed so the men doing it could get home before sundown, the beginning of the Sabbath? Most of the spices were in their natural form, aromatic plants (this is specific in the Mishnah and the Talmud, the written rules of the Jews). Besides, bogusname, there is sctientific evidence of these spices existence found on Shroud after all these years, and it is well documented if you bothered to read the peer reviewed scientific articles on the Shroud which report such traces. But, no, you can't be bothered to do that.
Just as you cannot be bothered to read other translations of the Bible in which Jesus is referred to as not the Nazarene but as the Nazarite. . . a sect of Jew who take a vow to never cut their hair until the die. There are many more versions of the Bible in multiple languages that use Nazarite than Nazarene. That came in with the King James Version of the Bible. . . and may be a mistranslation of the original Greek word. Oops. I bet you only read the English translation of the Bible. Right? Or did you bother to learn Greek so you could read the new Testament in its original language? How about knowing the differences between Greek and Aramaic? Did you know that Jewish men would wear their hair the same length as their beards? That was what was considered neatly trimmed? How about that remnants of full length shrouds have been found in 1st Century Jewish cemeteries near Jerusalem? All of this is true. . . but has been denied by Shroud skeptics.
Are you claiming that Jesus took the time during his three years of His ministry to go find a barber to have his hair cut? What tools did Jewish men use to trim their hair closely? Scissors? Do you realize how expensive a tool that was to buy or own? How difficult they were to make? How about a razor?
Oh, BS! This is a reconstruction of the Man on the Shroud done by an expert Forensic Pathologist, using the Shroud of Turin and the Sudarium of Oviedo based on the blood flows, apparent bruising, swellings, cuts, etc. There is ZERO evidence of "make-up" of fakery.
That certainly would look disfigured from the beating. . . and unrecognizable. He would have been covered in blood from the crown of thorns, which would not have been a ringlet (that was an invention of the renaissance), but a cap of thorns covering the entire top of the head. His nose was most likely broken from the rod they used to hit him (still not a bone as the nose is cartilage, not bone, fulfilling Biblical prophecy), his cheek shows the blow as well. His eye above the cheek is swollen. His mouth and teeth have been hit hard.
There are over 125 deep wounds all over his body from what appear to have inflicted by a Roman Flagrum that oozed blood. This is a weapon of torture that faded from use after the Roman Empire fell.
Actually, bugusname, it does not. It only contradicts YOUR interpretation of scripture.
We know it is NOT a photograph because it exhibits none of the characteristics of a photograph and has no light artifacts. It is, rather, a representational terrain map of the body it covered in 2D, containing 3D data. No photograph contains that because of light. We also know what the image is made of, and it is not created by a photographic process. There is no photo reactive residue on the Shroud that would be there if it were a photo.
Every photo in the world has that photo-reactive residue left on it, because THAT is what the photo is made of. If there is none, then there would BE NO PHOTO. Yet the Shroud has none.
The image exists in the residue of the Soapwort used in the retting process used when the Flax that made the Shroud was cleaned before the Shroud was woven. It is less than thickness of a soap bubble. The Flax was done in a method used in the Middle East, a hank system, where it was washed and then spread on bushes as hanks before being spun and then woven into cloth. The image is merely slightly more aged than the other parts of that coating and exists only on the surface that was facing the body. The closer the cloth was to the body, the more it was "aged" and the more it was darkened.
Those images were formed AFTER the blood stains were transferred to the cloth. We know this because they do not exist under the blood stains. Trying to get the image to register to the blood stains afterwards or before, would be an impossible undertaking for any photographic process. By the way, the blood stains are real human blood.
No medieval artist would need to use real human blood for an "artistic project" because it would have been unnecessary. It also bears ZERO similarity to any other artistic style of the period. Such a postulated artist would have to be a super-genius, with a pan-authority on things we are only discovering about the 1st Century through exceedingly deep scholarship, as well as human physiological reactions to severe traumatic death we have only learned over a Century of medicine. He would also have had to have had a thorough grounding in Palynology (the study of pollens, specifically of the pollens of the Jerusalem area, including a plant that went extinct in ~800AD that was used for packing around bodies by Jews), the geology of the Jerusalem area (so he could embed dust from the exact right kind of Travertine aragonite found only outside of the East Gate of Jerusalem) on the feet, knees, backside, and shoulders, of the image on the Shroud), and he would have to have made a mistake in the placing of the nail exit wound in the back of the wrist, contrary to all medieval art, showing the wound in the palm, but exactly where it would be if placed at the base if the palm, following natural spaces in the wrist bones, something experienced Crucifixion execution soldiers would know. . . which would support the weight of a man. Anywhere else in the palm would not support that weight of a man writhing in pain for long and would eventually tear through. This hypothetical genius somehow KNEW this, when no one else of the supposed period of fakery did. All of this points more to the Shroud being authentic than it being a fake.
By the way, everyone who has tried to re-produce the Shroud by any photographic means has failed. It may be superficial similar, but their product fails every other scientific test.
Yup. . . Thanks for the ping. This guy is not worth much, though.
The video is stupid. There is no evidence. If you want to post a video on the subject, don’t state that it is conclusive PROOF the shroud is FAKE. Just a rambling opinion on your thoughts....
Read the Bible that you might cure your ignorance.
"'Look, you scoffers, wonder and perish, for I am going to do something in your days that you would never believe, even if someone told you.'"
Acts 13:41
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