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To: bogusname
Do they think the pampered European whose image is on the Shroud is Jesus?

The physiologists and forensic pathologists who have studied the man on the image on the Shroud have stated he was a muscular, ROBUST person who most like is a genotype of a what is now referred to as a High Noble Semite, a middle eastern genotype who did physical labor who was well muscled, who stood 70" tall. He was not by any means "pampered." Your claim that he at all has "feminine" hips is completely false according to scientific examination, none of which has found anything feminine about the measurements in the image. This image is literally the single most studied object in history and you and your YouTube author have the temerity to make bogus, false claims that are easily proved to be exactly that. They are merely opinions not borne out by any studies, anywhere, except someone's unproven statement.

As for the 100 lbs of spices (or was it only 75 lbs—some Biblical source place it at that), they were packed AROUND the body, and the shroud was laid over both them and the body. Why were the women bringing MORE on the morning when the empty Tomb was discovered? Was it because not all of the purchased amount was used on Friday night because the interment had to be rushed so the men doing it could get home before sundown, the beginning of the Sabbath? Most of the spices were in their natural form, aromatic plants (this is specific in the Mishnah and the Talmud, the written rules of the Jews). Besides, bogusname, there is sctientific evidence of these spices existence found on Shroud after all these years, and it is well documented if you bothered to read the peer reviewed scientific articles on the Shroud which report such traces. But, no, you can't be bothered to do that.

Just as you cannot be bothered to read other translations of the Bible in which Jesus is referred to as not the Nazarene but as the Nazarite. . . a sect of Jew who take a vow to never cut their hair until the die. There are many more versions of the Bible in multiple languages that use Nazarite than Nazarene. That came in with the King James Version of the Bible. . . and may be a mistranslation of the original Greek word. Oops. I bet you only read the English translation of the Bible. Right? Or did you bother to learn Greek so you could read the new Testament in its original language? How about knowing the differences between Greek and Aramaic? Did you know that Jewish men would wear their hair the same length as their beards? That was what was considered neatly trimmed? How about that remnants of full length shrouds have been found in 1st Century Jewish cemeteries near Jerusalem? All of this is true. . . but has been denied by Shroud skeptics.

Are you claiming that Jesus took the time during his three years of His ministry to go find a barber to have his hair cut? What tools did Jewish men use to trim their hair closely? Scissors? Do you realize how expensive a tool that was to buy or own? How difficult they were to make? How about a razor?

113 posted on 03/06/2017 12:37:55 AM PST by Swordmaker (This tag line is a Microsoft insult free zone... but if the insults to Mac users continue...)
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To: Swordmaker; bogusname
Just as you cannot be bothered to read other translations of the Bible in which Jesus is referred to as not the Nazarene but as the Nazarite. . . a sect of Jew who take a vow to never cut their hair until the die.

Not getting into the Shroud argument, but I just wanted to note that I don't think Jesus was an avowed Nazarite/Nazirite. The reasons being:

    The Nazirite/Nazarite vow is taken by individuals who have voluntarily dedicated themselves to God. The vow is a decision, action, and desire on the part of people whose desire is to yield themselves to God completely. By definition, the Hebrew word nazir, simply means “to be separated or consecrated.” The Nazirite vow, which appears in Numbers 6:1-21, has five features. It is voluntary, can be done by either men or women, has a specific time frame, has specific requirements and restrictions, and at its conclusion a sacrifice is offered.

    First, the individual enters into this vow voluntarily. The Bible says, "Speak to the Israelites and say to them: 'If a man or woman wants to make a special vow, a vow of separation to the LORD as a Nazirite’” (Numbers 6:2). This shows that it is individuals who take the initiative to consecrate themselves to the Lord. There is no divine command involved. While generally done by the individual by his own choice, two individuals in the Old Testament, and one in the New Testament, were presented to God by their parents. Samuel and Samson in the Old Testament, (1 Samuel 2:8-28; Judges 13:1-5), and John the Baptist in the New Testament received the Nazirite vow from birth (Luke 1:13-17).

    Second, both men and women could participate in this vow, as Numbers 6:2 indicates, “a man or woman.” The Nazirite vow was often taken by men and women alike purely for personal reasons, such as thanksgiving for recovery from illness or for the birth of a child. However, under the Mosaic law, the vow or oath of a single woman could be rescinded by her father, and that of a married woman by her husband (Numbers 30).

    Third, the vow had a specific time frame, a beginning and an end as these two statements indicate: “Throughout the period of his separation he is consecrated to the LORD... Now this is the law for the Nazirite when the period of his separation is over” (Numbers 6:8, 13a). So, the Nazirite vow usually had both a beginning and an end.

    Fourth, there were specific guidelines and restrictions involved with the Nazirite vow. Three guidelines are given to the Nazirite. Numbers 6:3-7 tells us that he/she was to abstain from wine or any fermented drink, nor was the Nazirite to drink grape juice or eat grapes or raisins, not even the seeds or skins. Next, the Nazirite was not to cut his hair for the length of the vow. Last, he was not to go near a dead body, because that would make him ceremonially unclean. Even if a member of his immediate family died, he was not to go near the corpse.

    Numbers 6:13-20 shows the procedure to follow to complete the vow. A sacrifice was made (vv.13-17), the candidate’s hair was cut and put on the altar, and the priest did the final task of completing the sacrificial process, which ended the vow (v. 20). This section concludes with the statement, “This is the law of the Nazirite who vows his offering to the LORD in accordance with his separation, in addition to whatever else he can afford. He must fulfill the vow he has made, according to the law of the Nazirite”(6:21). (https://www.gotquestions.org/Nazirite-vow.html)

We know that not only did Jesus drink wine, he also raised people from the dead. Two restrictions a Nazarite could not do and remain faithful to his/her vow.

Carry on. :o)

172 posted on 03/07/2017 10:07:27 PM PST by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
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