Posted on 03/05/2017 4:19:59 PM PST by bogusname
Stop this nonsense. If you are reading this, stop and pray for Trump and our country.
Turn away from your satanism...
Other than as a recognition that christianity, a man made religion,
But are you saying that our great God could not control what books were put in the Bible and what was left out?
You would have to believe we have a very weak God.
Jewish Essenes had long hair. . .
1Cor 11:14
Doth not even nature itself teach you, that, if a man have long hair, it is a shame unto him?
Rood-ism is a false gospel.
It is NOT salvation through the Messiah.
Your problems are 1> You are making your judgements on the poorest translations of the original Greek, although one of the most poetic, of the Bible, the King James Bible. The English words are not used in those passages do not translate the Greek reasonably well. 2> You have no knowledge of what the Jewish burial customs were in the 1st Century and earlier. . . and it was NOT swaddling in a bunch of bandages. The burial customs were written in the Mishnah and Talmud.
The fact is also that the women who were going to the tomb early on Sunday morning were going there to finish washing and anointing Jesus' body, a job which had gone unfinished by the men who had been rushed by the impinging sundown on Friday which started the Sabbath which goes from sundown to sundown on Saturday. They had no time to finish the burial properly.
These men, being proper observant Jews, had to be ritually clean before the sun finished going below the horizon and could do NO WORK after the last gleam of light left the sky.
In addition, there would be some "strips" of cloth used. According to the Mishnah, these strips are used under Jewish custom to bind the legs and arms to prevent them from flopping akimbo. The Jews tied either small ropes or strips of cloth around the arms and legs to prevent the limbs from flopping after rigor mortis passed. They also tied the jaw shut and placed something on the eyes to keep them closed. The minimum requirement for burial aside from this was a cloth to cover the face, but it could be as large as the family could afford and cover the entire body as well. A Greek "syndon" is literally a sheet, also sometimes called a sail. Many translations of the Bible accurately translate the Greek stating that Joseph of Arimathea purchased a "fine linen syndon" as a "fine linen sheet" as part of the grave clothes.
Contemporaneous writings indicate that poorer people often purchased used sails for shrouds. Others would use an unrolled sudarium, a sweat cloth, to just cover the face, and some ropes or twine to tie the limbs.
Windings, bandage type wrappings were not used in Jewish burials because the religious traditions intentions were that the body was meant to rot away until just bones were left. A year later, the family would return, collect the bones and throw them into a central ossuary in the family tomb with the rest of the ancestors' bones. The niche in which the body had lain would be then available for the next family member who dies. Having the body tangled with a mess of rotting cloth bandages ala Egyptian mummies would not lend itself well to this ritual procedure.
Some wealthy 1st Century Jewish families had adopted the Roman practice of having individual ossuary boxes which would hold the bones of a single individual. . . but that was an expensive ostentatious affectation very few could afford. It was also something that was frowned upon by the Sanhedrin as completely nontraditional. This is one of the strongest arguments against the authenticity of the Ossuary box of "James, the brother of Jesus", in addition to the fact that the "brother of Jeshua" inscription being an obvious later addition probably added to increase value. Jesus' family would not have been wealthy enough to have purchased an individual ossuary box for James.
Returning to the Jewish burial practices, there would have been strips of cloth to bind the limbs, a face cloth to go "around the face" to bind the jaw closed, and finally either a cloth to cover the face or the entire body. In addition, in the case or a violent death, anything that had blood stains from that death was supposed to be buried with the body, if at all possible, because Jewish belief was that "life is in the blood."
Incidentally, cloth was extremely expensive in the 1st through 18th Century because it represented a lot of man hours to make. There was no machine made cloth. All cloth was individually woven from indivdually spun threads, which had been individually grown or shorn from animals individually. Every yard represented lots of labor. The linens in an estate were covered in the wills of the wealthy because they represented a good portion of the value of the estate.
The amount of cloth in the Shroud probably represented two or three persons' skilled work for a month. It was not cheap to buy. Burying cloth with a dead body was not a minor expense and it was not a trivial thing to do. That was why the Roman Soldier were gambling for Jesus' clothing at the crucifixion: even if blood stained it was valuable!
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“Trinity” is part of the man made stuff, but otherwise OK.
The “Holy Spirit” is the communication stream that links us to our Elohim. They are one, but nothing in any part of the word suggests a “trinity.”
The word says there are seven spirits of our Elohim.
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Nothing I have posted suggests that Yehova is weak.
We know that Tanakh is his word; Yeshua vouched for it, as did all of the apostles.
Men prefer their own way rather than Yehova’s way; that is the “mystery” of iniquity. (lawlessness)
Christianity is just as much a defiance of the word as Islam or Buddha.
The path that Yeshua and his disciples and apostles taught, recorded in the Acts primarily, is the true path, not the man made stuff that christianity teaches.
Yeshua’s sheep keep the commandments. They study them every Sabbath day as demanded in Acts 15, to show themselves approved.
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Signs are for answers to questions.
Faith is the keeping of the Teaching we have “heard.”
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Misinformation is for itching ears only.
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Not getting into the Shroud argument, but I just wanted to note that I don't think Jesus was an avowed Nazarite/Nazirite. The reasons being:
First, the individual enters into this vow voluntarily. The Bible says, "Speak to the Israelites and say to them: 'If a man or woman wants to make a special vow, a vow of separation to the LORD as a Nazirite’” (Numbers 6:2). This shows that it is individuals who take the initiative to consecrate themselves to the Lord. There is no divine command involved. While generally done by the individual by his own choice, two individuals in the Old Testament, and one in the New Testament, were presented to God by their parents. Samuel and Samson in the Old Testament, (1 Samuel 2:8-28; Judges 13:1-5), and John the Baptist in the New Testament received the Nazirite vow from birth (Luke 1:13-17).
Second, both men and women could participate in this vow, as Numbers 6:2 indicates, “a man or woman.” The Nazirite vow was often taken by men and women alike purely for personal reasons, such as thanksgiving for recovery from illness or for the birth of a child. However, under the Mosaic law, the vow or oath of a single woman could be rescinded by her father, and that of a married woman by her husband (Numbers 30).
Third, the vow had a specific time frame, a beginning and an end as these two statements indicate: “Throughout the period of his separation he is consecrated to the LORD... Now this is the law for the Nazirite when the period of his separation is over” (Numbers 6:8, 13a). So, the Nazirite vow usually had both a beginning and an end.
Fourth, there were specific guidelines and restrictions involved with the Nazirite vow. Three guidelines are given to the Nazirite. Numbers 6:3-7 tells us that he/she was to abstain from wine or any fermented drink, nor was the Nazirite to drink grape juice or eat grapes or raisins, not even the seeds or skins. Next, the Nazirite was not to cut his hair for the length of the vow. Last, he was not to go near a dead body, because that would make him ceremonially unclean. Even if a member of his immediate family died, he was not to go near the corpse.
Numbers 6:13-20 shows the procedure to follow to complete the vow. A sacrifice was made (vv.13-17), the candidate’s hair was cut and put on the altar, and the priest did the final task of completing the sacrificial process, which ended the vow (v. 20). This section concludes with the statement, “This is the law of the Nazirite who vows his offering to the LORD in accordance with his separation, in addition to whatever else he can afford. He must fulfill the vow he has made, according to the law of the Nazirite”(6:21). (https://www.gotquestions.org/Nazirite-vow.html)
We know that not only did Jesus drink wine, he also raised people from the dead. Two restrictions a Nazarite could not do and remain faithful to his/her vow.
Carry on. :o)
The author of this video is ignorant. The video itself is a collection of lies.
There is no “proof.”
There is no evidence, there is no logic.
Don’t post this ignorant nonsense.
You are not saved and you therefore don’t believe the Bible so of course the truth makes you irate. Apparently you prefer your own weird concoction of little bits of misunderstood hazy notions taken from here and there along your meandering way. The shroud was one of your precious idols and I pulled your little pacifier from your mouth. Calm down kiddo. It wasn’t giving you any milk anyway.
THE BIBLE SAYS THE SHROUD OF TURIN IS FAKE. I told you the truth the truth so grow up and face it like an adult. Study the Bible that you might cure your imbecility and immaturity. Have a nice day.
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