Posted on 10/06/2015 10:35:57 AM PDT by envisio
I have read a little and did some research on baptism and if there is a need to get baptized as an adult after being baptized as a child.
I looked for the Church’s standing on it and I looked for scripture written about it. My research left me with the half-baked conclusion, in the eyes of the Lord, one only needs baptized once.
I was baptized as a small child without any realization of what was happening. In the 40 years to follow there were plenty of times I was lost, sinning, doing the devils deeds with the liquor and the drugs and the whores and on all fours in the parkinglot puking only to repeat it again the next day for years in my 20s. I never got into any real trouble; no felonies or violence, just drunken antics of a stupid 20something year old. Of course, as we get older, we settle down and put away our childish behavior to be adults. In no way will my wild youth define my legacy since then.
Recent events have tested my faith and questioned a merciful God. Ultimately those events brought me closer to God, and it was my wife’s wish that I completely give my life to Christ. She did and I am quite sure she is sitting by His side right now, praying that I do the same.
I am a sinner. I have confessed my sins and asked for forgiveness. I have accepted Jesus Christ as my savior. I want to complete it with water. I want to get baptized again, but I don’t want it to be vain. I don’t want to do it for myself as a vain show that’s not necessary just to make me feel better. I want to do it because God wants me to do it.
So, since you folks are far more learned on the teachings of the bible, and FReepdom is unmatched in advice dealing with church and God, my question is… Even if the original baptism was done at a time when I did not know what was happening… Is a second baptism common? Is it vain? Will it make me complete in my transition to being born again? Is it necessary?
“Better not to say “this event never happen” unless you can prove it never happened.”
I just don’t find arguments based on speculation - either way - convincing or relevant. When people reach that point, it is evident they have no actual facts or evidence.
Hey! You know what? It’s been so hot and dry in California ...
(wait for it)
the Methodists have been sprinkling and the Churches of Christ are using damp washcloths.
Whoa, hey, what a devout crowd...
What do the Lutherans do for baptism, enviso? A `lick & a promise’ baptism? Odd, my sister was raised ChoCh and switched to Lutheran. When I was baptized at age 13 in the ChoCh, I got dunked, completely submerged.
Remember the story of Achilles: held by his heel by his mother Thetis and dipped in the river Styx?
Well, that rascally rabbit, Paris of Troy shot him in his heel with a pizened arrow and killed him dead.
Better safe than sorry, you don’t want to worry about Hell fire. Of course, there are hundreds of thousands of Protestants, millions of Americans and billions of Earthlings who find this practice more than a little odd; on the other hand, it is scriptural.
It’s a no-brainer. Yeah, go for it.
***My research left me with the half-baked conclusion, in the eyes of the Lord, one only needs baptized once.***
I think your research is full baked, and you are correct.
Without reading through the thread I am sure there that will say otherwise, but you are correct.
Baptism is the second act of willful obedience in a Christian’s life. If you feel God is calling you, then I would suggest you obey. If this is an intellectual debate you are having with yourself, pray and meditate on the Word until things are more clear.
Christ requires baptism...he did so in the Great Commission and in John 3:5. The thief on the cross went to Paradise, not heaven. No one goes to heaven before judgement day.
I too was baptized as a baby but it was when I was sixteen and understood and accepted that Jesus died for all my sins and I could be saved by faith in Him and not my own works of righteousness that I wanted to be baptized again. I see my infant baptism as something that was done TO me and count the baptism I underwent when I was older and conscious of what it meant as my TRUE baptism in obedience to God and as a testimony to others of the spiritual change that had happened within me.
I don’t believe water baptism is necessary to be saved as we are washed and made clean by the shed blood of Jesus through faith. Instead, it is an ordinance designed by God for our spiritual growth and concrete point of reference for us to remember that we have been born again as children of the living God by our own act of faith.
“He saved us not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to His mercy. He saved us by the washing of regeneration and renewing of the Holy Spirit, which He shed on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our savior; that being justified by His grace we should be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life.” (Titus 3:5-7)
Nothing half baked about that. The only question should be was the baptism properly administered - was it Trinitarian in form, and was it administered by someone ordained to do so?
Because :
Romans 10:9King James Version (KJV)
9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
so, you are saying Jesus was lying to the criminal?
maybe if it were of any importance, it would have been noted..
Jesus could have asked, hey, were you baptized?
so, there isn’t any true spiritual significance to water baptism...nor it is a requirement. However, Baptism of the Holy Ghost is mentioned yet the evidence is speaking in tongues yet a lot of people debunk that... yet it is biblical and evident today
“I was baptized as a small child without any realization of what was happening.”
Just like every circumcised baby welcomed into the covenant. It was still valid if valid in the first place. It has nothing to do with what you knew at the time. It has everything to do with what God knew He was doing with His grace for you. If it was a valid baptism then, it still is now.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gSdTBUfakG8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ZOt7dbrpOY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fV8uu9-sYSk
No, I’m saying you are lying when you use the thief as an false example in claiming we can be saved without baptism.
yet, he is with the Lord - is he not? How about God’s Chosen?
where is Baptism as a requirement in the Old Testament, none... it wasn’t a law given by God.
the reason baptism is not necessary for salvation is that we are justified by faith (Rom. 5:1, Eph. 2:8) and not by faith and a ceremony (Rom. 4:1-11). You see, a religious ceremony
Is baptism “works”?
“Of” or “Because of”. Makes no diff.
You cannot have remission of sins without repentance. You cannot have remission of sins without baptism.
Interesting Read...
Baptism For The Remission Of Sins
by David Padfield
Just seven weeks after Christ’s death on the cross the first gospel sermon this side of Calvary was preached. After Peter accused his audience of crucifying the Son of God, they cried out “What shall we do?” (Acts 2:37). Peter announced the terms of Divine pardon: “Repent, and let every one of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins” (Acts 2:38). This passage makes an inseparable connection between baptism and the remission of sins. It makes the remission of sins depend upon baptism in the same sense as it is made to depend upon repentance. Through the years, many attempts have been made to negate the force of this passage.
I have never understood how Baptist preachers can make repentance a condition for salvation and then exclude baptism. They usually claim that repentance is “for” (”in order to obtain”) the remission of sins and baptism is for (”because of”) the remission of sins. However, the preposition “for” cannot express two different relationships to the two words-what it means to baptism it means to repentance. If repentance is essential to salvation, then so is baptism.
In several debates with Baptist preachers I have illustrated this verse with a chart showing two box cars on a train track. “Repentance” is one car and “baptism” is the other. They are joined by a small coupler — the word “and.” Because these cars are joined by the coupler, whatever direction one car travels, the other has to move in the same direction. If baptism is “because of” the remission of sins, then so is repentance. If repentance is “in order to obtain” the remission of sins, then so is baptism.
A parallel passage can be found in Acts 3:19, “Repent therefore and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out.” Repentance occupies the same place in both passages. In Acts 3:19 “be converted” occupies the place that “be baptized” is given in Acts 2:38. They are therefore identical in act and purpose-whatever baptism is for in Acts 2:38, conversion is for in Acts 3:19.
more....
http://www.padfield.com/1995/sins.html
and then you are not reading your Bible - Read my posted Scriptures and apologize for calling me a liar
Well, I think there is a spiritual significance to it, but like anything of this physical world, it’s just a shadow of the really important thing, which is the indwelling of the Holy Spirit.
Speaking in tongues can be a sign of that, but just one sign that was given, and it wasn’t given to everyone.
For Christ did not send me to baptize, but to preach the gospel . . . “ (1 Cor. 1:14-17)
Peter downplays baptism for salvation... why? Cause Baptism is not required.
Is baptism “works”?
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No more so than confessing, or turning (repenting), or hearing, or any other “physical” act that is necessary for salvation.
If the Trinitarian form is used, there is only one Baptism. However, you can publicly confirm your Baptism, just as a married couple can renew their vows. It think it would be a beautiful thing.
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