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Why Are There So Many “Bad” People in Church?
http://www.pravoslavie.ru ^ | 04 / 03 / 2015 | Denis Akhalashvili

Posted on 03/06/2015 9:56:03 AM PST by bad company

I often have to hear how people say about our Church, “You know, I don’t go to your church and won’t go, because it’s like a train station there—who don’t you see there? It would be alright if they were good people, but they’re not! I met one of them. Do you know what sort of man he is? And that girl is not any better. I won’t even mention the rest. And they go to services, cross themselves and don’t even blush…”

Why are there so many unfortunate, wretched, broken lives, strange and simply bad people in the Church, while the saints and righteous ones are hardly to be found? This scandalizes and turns away many.

But this is in fact the most remarkable thing, that there are only sick people all around! It means that you have come to the right place. It means that everything you have read in the Gospels and heard about Christ is true.

Who did the Lord take to heaven first? The repentant thief. Publicans, harlots, lepers, and the demonically possessed came to Him from all around. Not the righteous. The sick. All the rest had no time for Him. There were just fine without Him.

Just fine, without God. The Gospel calls this state death. Because the soul without God is a dead soul.

People are always confusing the Heavenly Church with the earthly Church. From this comes the misunderstanding, doubts, and confusion. All the saints and righteous ones are there, in the Kingdom of Heaven. But here on earth, the Church is a hospital for sins, spiritual illnesses and death. In our Church there is only one who is absolutely healthy, pure, perfect, and sinless. He is our Lord and God Jesus Christ. And it is by His power that the Church is delivered, treated, and cured.

Why is it that when we see sick, lame, and coughing people in an ordinary hospital no one gets the desire to point to his temples, turn heel and run? That is why it is a hospital, so that the sick would come and be healed. This is even more true for the Church, where it is not the body being healed, but the eternal soul. That sick people come with terrible wounds and diseases testifies to the power of the doctor they are seeking. Sinners who have resolved to be delivered from their sins and death testify to Christ.

And when I look at people in church, my heart is filled with joy, because the Lord is here, with us, and He is healing. Sometimes people themselves don’t know why they go to church. The pain itself, the wounds that won’t stop gnawing at their hearts lead them here. Then suddenly, it all goes away. Without understanding the services, in general vaguely understanding what is going on, the person suddenly feels that he is now better. He—that is he, the heart—his heart, though just recently bleeding it is now peaceful and well. People can lie, books can deceive, but your own heart tells the truth. And this is the most remarkable thing that you can feel in the Church.


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KEYWORDS: christians; sin; spiritualjourney
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To: bad company

Plus, the church is often where you find people after they’ve discovered how badly they can mess up their own lives thinking that they didn’t have to listen to God’s Word. I ask myself why churches seem to have more old people than young ones and this is why. As you age, you realize how limited you are and how much you need divine help. The young often have to figure this out the hard way first before they pay attention.


21 posted on 03/06/2015 10:28:32 AM PST by OrangeHoof (Every time you say no to a liberal, you make the Baby Barack cry.)
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To: bad company

Just like you don’t need to see healthy people in a hospital you don’t need to see sinless people in church.


22 posted on 03/06/2015 10:33:05 AM PST by MeganC (You can ignore reality, but reality won't ignore you.)
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To: Bloody Sam Roberts
Could It Be...? SATAN!!!


23 posted on 03/06/2015 10:34:37 AM PST by Alex Murphy ("the defacto Leader of the FR Calvinist Protestant Brigades")
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To: CyberAnt
How can you grow and be well with God? Read His Word. Far too many church goers, spend one or two hours with God a week, how sad. Open the book, read His words, they are the spiritual food that is needed to nurture that new life inside.

We are all sinners and not good enough, the last perfect man on this earth got up and got out of here a long time ago!

24 posted on 03/06/2015 10:36:48 AM PST by thirst4truth (Life without God is like an unsharpened pencil - it has no point.)
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To: bad company
"there is none good but one, that is, God."
25 posted on 03/06/2015 10:39:15 AM PST by PoloSec ( Believe the Gospel: how that Christ died for our sins, was buried and rose again)
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To: Mount Athos

Just as sick people need to go to the hospital to get well, just as there are lots of other sick people there, sinners need to go to Church. They need to repent and reconcile themselves to God.


26 posted on 03/06/2015 10:41:09 AM PST by elhombrelibre (Against Obama. Against Putin. Pro-freedom. Pro-US Constitution.)
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To: BlackAdderess

“I do have problems with is the idea that bad things only happen to people who deserve it. Is that a Catholic thing or a Protestant thing?”

Sounds like a belief in karma. Hearing that a bad person has come to grief, some observe that `karma’s a b!tch’.

Not unlike Schadenfreude.


27 posted on 03/06/2015 10:54:53 AM PST by elcid1970 ("I am a radicalized infidel. My bullets are dipped in pig grease.")
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To: elcid1970

Kinda makes the caste system make sense.


28 posted on 03/06/2015 11:08:54 AM PST by BlackAdderess ("Give me a but a firm spot on which to stand, and I shall move the earth". --Archimedes)
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To: BlackAdderess
One thing I do have problems with is the idea that bad things only happen to people who deserve it. Is that a Catholic thing or a Protestant thing?

That's a people that don't read the bible thing. Having traveled from Evangelical protestant to Eastern Orthodox, I have found it lurking everywhere.

29 posted on 03/06/2015 11:13:15 AM PST by bad company
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To: elcid1970
Sounds like a belief in karma.

Exactly, and by extension a disbelief in God.

30 posted on 03/06/2015 11:15:55 AM PST by bad company
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To: bad company
Like my grandma use to say, “you don't want to go to church because there are so many hypocrites, you really aren't going to like hell.”
31 posted on 03/06/2015 11:17:40 AM PST by fungoking (Tis a pleasure to live in the Ozarks)
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To: bad company

The concept of eternal forgiveness is a powerful tool for hypocrites. If you’re in the market for excuses to monger confession and being “saved” are perfect for you.


32 posted on 03/06/2015 11:39:19 AM PST by discostu (The albatross begins with its vengeance A terrible curse a thirst has begun)
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To: bad company

Remember Jesus calls sinners.


33 posted on 03/06/2015 11:48:34 AM PST by Biggirl (2014 MIdterms Were BOTH A Giant Wave And Restraining Order)
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To: thirst4truth

But you do need the fellowship of other Christian believers as well. That is also said in the Bible. Hebrews.


34 posted on 03/06/2015 11:50:33 AM PST by Biggirl (2014 MIdterms Were BOTH A Giant Wave And Restraining Order)
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To: bad company

There are just as many bad people in Church as there are outside of Church.

For all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God.


35 posted on 03/06/2015 11:51:52 AM PST by taxcontrol
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To: taxcontrol

AMEN!


36 posted on 03/06/2015 12:02:42 PM PST by Biggirl (2014 MIdterms Were BOTH A Giant Wave And Restraining Order)
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To: BlackAdderess
One thing I do have problems with is the idea that bad things only happen to people who deserve it. Is that a Catholic thing or a Protestant thing?

I suggest studying the Book of Job for answers on that topic. Job is far richer in meaning than it may appear on the surface. The Matthew Henry Bible Commentary is a good place to start for studying it.
37 posted on 03/06/2015 12:03:19 PM PST by PieterCasparzen (Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.)
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To: BlackAdderess

One thing I do have problems with is the idea that bad things only happen to people who deserve it. Is that a Catholic thing or a Protestant thing?


I believe that is an Old Testament thing.


38 posted on 03/06/2015 12:23:16 PM PST by rwa265
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To: bad company

Cause that’s where all my friends are...


39 posted on 03/06/2015 12:34:26 PM PST by Iscool
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To: bad company
Why Are There So Many “Bad” People in Church?

Where should they be/

Church is not a rest home for saints. Church is a hospital for sinners.

40 posted on 03/06/2015 12:42:28 PM PST by MosesKnows (Love many, trust few, and always paddle your own canoe.)
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