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Archdiocese of Washington ^ | 01-15-15 | Msgr. Charles Pope

Posted on 01/16/2015 8:03:35 AM PST by Salvation

Faith is not alone, Scripture is not alone, Grace is not alone. We ought not separate what God has joined.

By: Msgr. Charles Pope

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There are a lot of “solos” sung by our Protestant brethren: Sola Fide (saved by faith alone), Sola Scriptura (Scripture alone is the rule of faith), and sola gratia (grace alone). (See the Protestant logo to the right.) Generally, one ought to be suspicious and careful of claims that things work “alone.” It is our usual experience that many things work together in harmony, that things are interrelated. Very seldom is anyone or anything “alone.”

The problem of the “solos” emerges (it seems to me) in our minds, where it is possible to separate things out. But the fact is, just because we can separate something out in our mind does not mean that we can separate it out in reality.

Consider, for a moment, a candle flame. In my mind, I can separate the heat of the flame from its light. But in reality, I could never take a knife and put the heat over on one side and the light on the other. In reality, the heat and light are inseparable, so together as to be one.

I would like to argue respectfully that it is the same with things like faith and works, grace and transformation, Scripture and the Church. We can separate all these things out in our mind, but in reality they are one. Attempts to separate them from what they belong to, lead to grave distortions and to the thing in question no longer being what it is claimed to be. Rather, it becomes an abstraction that exists only on a blackboard or in the mind of a (geeky) theologian.

Let’s look at the three main “solos” of Protestant theology. I am aware that there are non-Catholic readers of this blog, so please understand that my objections are made with respect. I am also aware that in a short blog I may oversimplify, and thus I welcome additions, clarifications, etc. in the comments.

Solo 1: Faith alone (sola fide). For 400 years, Catholics and Protestants have debated the question of faith and works. In this matter, we must each avoid a caricature of the other’s positions. Catholics do not and never have taught that we were saved by works. For heaven’s sake we baptize infants! We fought off the Pelagians. But neither do Protestants mean by “faith” a purely intellectual acceptance of the existence of God, as many Catholics think they do.

But what concerns us here is the detachment of faith from works that the phrase “Faith alone” implies. So let me ask, what is faith without works? Can you point to it? Is it visible? Introduce me to someone who has real faith but no works. I don’t think one can be found. About the only example I can think of is a baptized infant! But, oops, that’s a Catholic thing, since most Baptists and Evangelicals who sing the solos reject infant baptism.

Hence it seems that faith alone is something of an abstraction. Faith is something that we can separate from works only in our minds, but not in reality. If faith is a transformative relationship with Jesus Christ, it seems we cannot remain unchanged by entering into that relationship with him. This change affects our behavior, our works. Even in the case of infants, it is possible to argue that they are changed and do have “works,” it’s just that we cannot easily observe them.

Scripture affirms that faith is never alone, that such a concept is an abstractionFaith without works is dead (James 2:26). Faith without works is not really faith at all since faith does not exist by itself, but is always present with and causes works through love. Galatians 5:6 says, For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision availeth anything, nor uncircumcision; but faith working through love. Hence faith works not alone, but through love. Further, as Paul states in 1 Corinthians 13:2, if I have all faith so as to move mountains but do not have love, I am nothing.

Hence faith alone is the null set. True faith is never alone; it bears the fruit of love and the works of holiness. Faith ignites love and works through it. Beware of the solo  “faith alone” and ask where faith, all by itself, can be found.

Solo 2: Grace alone (sola gratia). As for grace alone, this too is a puzzle, since grace by its very nature changes us. Again, show me grace apart from works. Grace without works is an abstraction. Grace cannot be found apart from its effects. In our mind it may exist as an idea, but in reality grace is never alone.

Grace builds on nature and transforms it. It engages the person who responds to its urges and gifts. If grace is real, it will have its effects and cannot be found alone or apart from works. It cannot be found apart from a real flesh-and-blood human who is manifesting its effects.

Solo 3: Scripture alone (sola Scriptura) - Finally, beware those who say, “sola Scriptura”! This is the claim that Scripture alone is the measure of faith and the sole authority for the Christian, that there is no need for a Church and no authority in the Church, that there is only authority in the Scripture. There are several problems with this.

First, Scripture as we know it (with the full New Testament) was not fully assembled and agreed upon until the 4th century. And it was Catholic bishops, in union with the Pope, who made the decision as to which books belonged in the Bible. The early Christians could not possibly have lived by sola scriptura since the Scriptures were not even fully written in the earliest years. And though collected and largely completed in written form by 100 AD, the set of books and letters that actually made up the New Testament was only agreed upon by the 4th Century.

Second, until recently most people could not read. Given this, it seems kind of strange that God would make, as the sole rule of faith, a book that people had to read on their own. Even today, large numbers of people in the world cannot read well. Hence Scripture was not a read text per se, but rather one that most people heard and experienced in and with the Church through her preaching, liturgy, art, architecture, stained glass, passion plays, and so forth.

Third, and most important, if all you have is a book, then that book needs to be interpreted accurately. Without a valid and recognized interpreter, the book can serve to divide more than to unite. Is this not the experience of Protestantism, which now has tens of thousands of denominations all claiming to read the same Bible but interpreting it in rather different manners?

The problem is, if no one is Pope then everyone is Pope!  Protestant “soloists” claim that anyone, alone with a Bible and the Holy Spirit, can authentically interpret Scripture. Well then, why does the Holy Spirit tell some people that baptism is necessary for salvation and others that it is not necessary? Why does the Holy Spirit tell some that the Eucharist really is Christ’s body and blood and others that it is only a symbol? Why does the Holy Spirit say to some Protestants “Once saved, always saved” and to others, “No”?

So it seems clear that Scripture is not meant to be alone. Scripture itself says this in 2 Peter 3:16: our beloved brother Paul, according to the wisdom given to him, also wrote to you, Our Brother Paul speaking of these things [the Last things] as he does in all his letters. In them there are some things hard to understand that the ignorant and unstable distort to their own destruction, just as they do the other scriptures. Hence Scripture itself warns that it is quite possible to misinterpret Scripture.

Well then, where is the truth to be found? The Scriptures once again answer this: you should know how to behave in the household of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and foundation of truth (1 Tim 3:15).

Hence, Scriptures are not to be read alone. They are a document of the Lord through the Church and must be read in the context of the Church and with the Church’s authoritative interpretation and Tradition. As this passage says, The CHURCH is the pillar and foundation of truth. The Bible is a Church book and is not meant to be read apart from the Church that received the authority to publish it from God Himself.  Scripture is the most authoritative and precious document of the Church, but it emanates from the Church’s Tradition and must be understood in the light of it. Further, faith is not alone but works through love. And grace is not alone but builds on nature.

Thus the problems of “singing solo” seem to boil down to the fact that if we separate what God has joined, we end up with an abstraction, something that exists only in the mind (but in reality cannot be found alone).

Here is a brief video in which Fr. Robert Barron ponders the Protestant point of view that every baptized Christian has the right to authoritatively interpret the Word of God.



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To: Salvation; NELSON111; Religion Moderator

It was not NELSON111 that read your mind. Look back at his post. It is all in quotations. Here is the passage he is quoting:

Matthew 15:7-9 (NKJV)
7 “Hypocrites! Well did Isaiah prophesy about you, saying:
8 ‘These people draw near to Me with their mouth,
And honor Me with their lips,
But their heart is far from Me.
9 And in vain they worship Me,
Teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.’ ”

The person speaking here is Christ. He is replying to the scribes and Pharisees who came from Jerusalem to confront Him over what they saw as not following their leadership.

Christ quoted from Isaiah, which is why there are double quotes. Christ pointed out how the religious leaders commanded things contrary to the scriptures and did not follow the scriptures themselves. The similarity between the error of the religious leaders of Christ’s day (earthly ministry) and the error of the Catholic assertion of being the authority over Biblical things has been pointed out for centuries.

That you were offended that this was directed at you and Catholics is telling. You need to rethink your feelings of being offended, because you should not be offended at the One Who spoke these words.

“Are you not therefore mistaken, because you do not know the Scriptures nor the power of God?” (Mark 12:24)


101 posted on 01/17/2015 9:15:43 AM PST by unlearner (You will never come to know that which you do not know until you first know that you do not know it.)
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To: GreyFriar

Do you know what “sola scriptura “means?


102 posted on 01/17/2015 9:46:37 AM PST by RnMomof7 (Ga 4:16)
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To: GreyFriar
I was raised and am a Protestant, member of “Christian Church (Disciples of Christ)” denomination. One of the concepts I was taught was the unity of all Christians under Jesus, whether they be Protestant or Catholic (no matter which individual denomination or rite). I believe that we, as followers of Jesus, should seek what unites us in our believe and gift of salvation and NOT the differences we have.

I was raised as a Catholic; both in school and at home, I was taught in a similar way. I was taught respect, not just for other nationalities, but for others' religion, as we referred to it back then. We had kids in our class who weren't Catholic; they were never forced to attend Mass, nor sit during our religion class- they got to go to the library and spend that time. The rest of the time, we all played and learned together.

When I was growing up, a word you heard on TV and a lot in school was, "brotherhood"-anybody remember that? And insulting somebody because of their religion was like insulting their mother: maybe that's why I didn't get my feathers ruffled over what Pope Francis said, I understood. If a kid on the street really wanted to provoke you, the first thing they'd do was insult your mother. You knew they had crossed the line and meant business, and that they were hitting below the belt.

I, too, thought all who believed in Jesus were Christian. And, I was taught to respect the fact that others believed, at least somewhat differently, than we did. Back then, we had Catholics, Protestants, and Jews. We were taught that the Jews were God's chosen people- He set them aside- my mother read to me out of the Bible at night. The people we knew were Italian, Irish, Polish, Spanish (from Spain), Lebanese, Armenian, and African-American (although the accepted words back then were "Colored", or "Negro"- saying the "N-word" in my house was the equivalent of saying the "F-word"- it just was NOT DONE!).

In short, respect for people's similarities. tolerance wasn't some kind of chore. You got along and you were respectful of one another's differences. When racial violence broke out in the 60's I was sat down by my parents and reminded that there were good and bad in all groups of people, and that it was wrong to judge all based on a few. Liberal-Progressive? NO! CHRISTIAN! Every nationality knew what it was like to be discriminated against, in the old country as well as in this one. Eventually, those ironed themselves out and people got along and respected one another. That is how I was raised.

Your post was well-said, and the quote is worth repeating:

I believe that we, as followers of Jesus, should seek what unites us in our believe and gift of salvation and NOT the differences we have.

AMEN! God bless you!

103 posted on 01/17/2015 9:50:02 AM PST by Grateful2God (And Mary kept all these things, and pondered them in her heart.)
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To: Al Hitan; Gamecock; Alex Murphy; bkaycee; blue-duncan; boatbums; caww; CynicalBear; daniel1212; ...
Do you want to be shown, you foolish person, that faith apart from works is useless? James 2:20

There are real problems when a verse is taken out of its context, Al

We need always to consider to whom it was written and the circumstances it was addressing

The book of James was written to a converted church , not heathens seeking salvation . It tells them how their conversion is seen by the unsaved world . It is not about becoming saved or being saved. It is about the fruit of your salvation.
It is not saying we need works to be saved..but that our works ARE EVIDENCE of our salvation . If you have no works flowing from your salvation.. then you have a dead (false salvation)

Jam 2:17 Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.
Jam 2:18 Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.
This is an amplification of the teaching of Jesus that we know a tree by the fruit it bears. It is how we know the saved from the unsaved. It does not declare that the man has faith ...but that he SAYS he has faith.

This addresses a hollow profession of faith , not a saving one .Can a hollow profession save him? NO, any more than works can save.This scripture says to the church that this faith is non existent , it is dead.

The bible is clear that it is God that gives the faith and it is God that ordains the works of the saved

Eph 2:10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.
Hbr 13:21 Make you perfect in every good work to do his will, working in you that which is wellpleasing in his sight, through Jesus Christ; to whom [be] glory for ever and ever. Amen.
Phl 2:13 For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of [his] good pleasure.
Augustine: "Now, having duly considered and weighed all these circumstances and testimonies, we conclude that a man is not justified by the precepts of a holy life, but by faith in Jesus Christ,--in a word, not by the law of works, but by the law of faith; not by the letter, but by the spirit; not by the merits of deeds, but by free grace."

104 posted on 01/17/2015 10:06:17 AM PST by RnMomof7 (Ga 4:16)
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To: editor-surveyor
77- "One cannot be a disciple without completely imitating the Master."

Matthew 22

37 - Jesus said to him: Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with thy whole heart, and with thy whole soul, and with thy whole mind.

38 - This is the greatest and the first commandment.

39 - And the second is like to this: Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself.

40 - On these two commandments dependeth the whole law and the prophets.

105 posted on 01/17/2015 10:09:54 AM PST by Grateful2God (And Mary kept all these things, and pondered them in her heart.)
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To: GreyFriar
Thanks, and God bless you!

: )

106 posted on 01/17/2015 10:12:12 AM PST by Grateful2God (And Mary kept all these things, and pondered them in her heart.)
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To: Grateful2God

thank you. It sounds like we bother grew up in the late 50s & early 60s.


107 posted on 01/17/2015 11:18:26 AM PST by GreyFriar (Spearhead - 3rd Armored Division 75-78 & 83-87)
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To: RnMomof7

Please give me the definition that you use for it.


108 posted on 01/17/2015 11:20:52 AM PST by GreyFriar (Spearhead - 3rd Armored Division 75-78 & 83-87)
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To: GreyFriar
1. I’ve thought about faith vs works and decided that they are linked, we get our salvation from our belief in and acceptance of Jesus as our Savior, we fulfill that faith by how we live our lives and what we do, which ends up being works, but the two are linked.

When I was taught my Catechism back in the day, it began with "Who is God" and then, "Why did God create us?" The latter question is answered, "God created us to know, love, and serve Him in this world, so we may be happy with Him in the next." To a Catholic, we come to know Him by Scripture, prayer, Mass, the Sacraments, and learning the Sacred tradition according to the Magisterium, the teaching authority of the Church. We love Him naturally, (my soul is thirsting for the Living God) and this relationship grows as we learn how to love others and follow God's Commandments. As we mature, this love, the desire to serve God translates into a deeper prayer, self-sacrifice offered for Him directly, or by helping others and living out our state in life. This love of God and neighbor is the beginning of service.

I agree that, as you said, "the two are linked." I don't understand how the two can be separated.

109 posted on 01/17/2015 11:21:31 AM PST by Grateful2God (And Mary kept all these things, and pondered them in her heart.)
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To: Salvation; unlearner
unlearner: You report someone to the religion moderator for quoting a Bible verse?

Salvation: No, it was his statement “You hypocrites.”

That was not the posters statement, it was a statement made by Jesus. You will have to debate with Him about that.

Here's the scripture again, a quote from the Bible:

"You hypocrites! Well did Isaiah prophesy of you, when he said: "'This people honors me with their lips, but their heart is far from me; in vain do they worship me, teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.'" Matthew 15:7-9
Salvation: How can he judge? How can he mind read?

It's good to keep in mind that when someone posts a thread (such as you did in this instance), even though in the "to" field it will say "Salvation" (that's you in this case) but usually it is in reaction to and addressed to the article, not the poster of the article.

Bear in mind also that many Christians see quite a few similarities between Catholicism and the religious actions of the Pharisees. Such as "teaching as doctrines the commandments of men." Falsely teaching the sinlessness of Mary, praying to Mary (making her the mediator between man and God which is a role only Jesus fills,) the statement that everyone needs to be subject to the pope, and many other examples are out there, including a lot of things that the Catholic pope says and does (such as worshipping the same "God" that Islam worships)

Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for you are like unto whitewashed sepulchers, which indeed appear beautiful outwardly but are within full of dead men's bones, and of all uncleanness.---Matthew 23:27
So I will ask you the question you asked:

How can you judge? How can you mindread?

110 posted on 01/17/2015 11:30:53 AM PST by Syncro (Jesus Christ: The ONLY mediator between God and man)
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To: Cvengr

Its the mistaken truncation of the Gospel.

IOW, its “Another Gospel.”

.


111 posted on 01/17/2015 11:56:09 AM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: RnMomof7; Mark17; metmom
RCs mistate or mistake sola fide as meaning that faith that is alone is salvific, that never manifests obedience, such as mere intellectual assent, rather it meaning it is precisely the faith that is behind holiness and works which actually appropriates justification for the unGodly by being counted for righteousness, not because one is good enough to be with God, but with works of faith (not mere good deeds) being necessary if such faith is salvific.

Believing itself is obedience, but which God enables and motivates to His glory, and which God sees and grants cleansing and regeneration, as evidenced by the regeneration of the Gentiles by faith, before baptism in Acts10. But confession in various forms and holiness before others (and in principal if alone) are works which justify one as being a believer.

To get around this and require magical RC baptism, in which the act itself instrumentally effects regeneration, a RC may argue that receiving the Holy Spirit is not the same as being cleansed from sin, for which baptism is necessary.

Yet the Holy Spirit is never received prior to cleansing and Peter distinctly told Cornelius and co. that whosoever believes on the Lord Jesus shall receive remission of sins, (Acts 10:43) and states that the Gentiles were to believe the gospel and that God purified their hearts by faith. (Acts 11:7-9) Which was not an inert faith one which was confessed in baptism. Of course, i have seen other RC private interpretation that contended Cornelius and co. were not born again until being baptized!

A rather comprehensive examination of this issue of Paul vs, James is seen here by R. Bruce Compton in the Detroit Baptist Seminary Journal.

112 posted on 01/17/2015 1:07:06 PM PST by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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To: GreyFriar
Please give me the definition that you use for it.

Sola scriptura means the primary and absolute source for all doctrine and practice (faith and morals).. Sola Scriptura does not negate past church councils or traditions,commentaries and the teachings of others ..but the final arbitrager of all moral or faith issues are decided by the scriptures..

113 posted on 01/17/2015 3:29:41 PM PST by RnMomof7 (Ga 4:16)
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To: Salvation

My goodness!

Is your knowledge of Jesus own words that lacking?

The phrase “You hypocrites!” is part of the passage quoted!

Overly sensitive much?


114 posted on 01/17/2015 6:28:26 PM PST by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: Salvation

But it does contain everything needed for us to come to Christ and grow in His kingdom. Everything necessary to the Christian walk can be found in Scripture.


115 posted on 01/17/2015 6:38:16 PM PST by Mom MD
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To: editor-surveyor

Salvation comes at the beginning with the acceptance of Christ. Works flow from the Spirit working within the saved Christian. On our own we can do nothing.


116 posted on 01/17/2015 6:41:05 PM PST by Mom MD
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To: Alex Murphy
The book of James, which a Catholic Archbishop name Three and a Catholic turned Protestant numbered verses ten through sixteen. Out of the same mouth proceedeth blessing and cursing. My brethren, these things ought not so to be. Doth a fountain send forth at the same place sweet water and bitter? Can the fig tree, my brethren, bear olive berries? either a vine, figs? so can no fountain both yield salt water and fresh. Who is a wise man and endued with knowledge among you? let him shew out of a good conversation his works with meekness of wisdom. But if ye have bitter envying and strife in your hearts, glory not, and lie not against the truth. This wisdom descendeth not from above, but is earthly, sensual, devilish. For where envying and strife is, there is confusion and every evil work.
117 posted on 01/17/2015 6:43:09 PM PST by af_vet_1981 (The bus came by and I got on, That's when it all began.)
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To: Mom MD

No.

Nobody has been saved yet.

There is one and only one time of salvation: The Last Trump.

.


118 posted on 01/17/2015 7:23:46 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: RnMomof7

>>We need always to consider to whom it was written and the circumstances it was addressing<<

Indeed. If one wants to view an epistle of a church where there was confusion on the Gospel message then look to the “foolish Galatians.”


119 posted on 01/17/2015 7:35:36 PM PST by redleghunter (...whatever you do, do all to the glory of God. (1 Corinthians 10:31))
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To: GreyFriar
96 2. Grace: I’m not really understanding him here. I see our salvation as a Grace from God alone and His gift to us. But it is also because we seek it in accepting His Son’s message.

I was going crazy trying to find the specific terms: my memory for words and numbers is not what it used to be. This is my best, and since you've been so kind and polite, I don't mind telling you! : )

At Baptism we receive Sanctifying Grace which removes the original sin from our souls. The Sacraments help maintain and/or restore Actual Grace which helps us in our daily lives, moment by moment, according to our state in life.

At Confession, not only are the sins forgiven, but with the help of God's grace, we get strengthened in our resolve to conquer or faults and failings.

Attending Mass and the unimaginable grace in the Sacrament of Holy Communion gives us graces we cannot conceive of in this life...

To be continued... Thank you again, and God bless you!

120 posted on 01/17/2015 8:22:15 PM PST by Grateful2God (And Mary kept all these things, and pondered them in her heart.)
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