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To: GreyFriar
96 2. Grace: I’m not really understanding him here. I see our salvation as a Grace from God alone and His gift to us. But it is also because we seek it in accepting His Son’s message.

I was going crazy trying to find the specific terms: my memory for words and numbers is not what it used to be. This is my best, and since you've been so kind and polite, I don't mind telling you! : )

At Baptism we receive Sanctifying Grace which removes the original sin from our souls. The Sacraments help maintain and/or restore Actual Grace which helps us in our daily lives, moment by moment, according to our state in life.

At Confession, not only are the sins forgiven, but with the help of God's grace, we get strengthened in our resolve to conquer or faults and failings.

Attending Mass and the unimaginable grace in the Sacrament of Holy Communion gives us graces we cannot conceive of in this life...

To be continued... Thank you again, and God bless you!

120 posted on 01/17/2015 8:22:15 PM PST by Grateful2God (And Mary kept all these things, and pondered them in her heart.)
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To: Grateful2God

96 2. Grace: At Baptism we receive Sanctifying Grace which removes the original sin from our souls.

from http://disciples.org/our-identity/communion-and-baptism/ which, to me is a variation of the Catholic belief/doctrinne you posted.

Peter said to them,” Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ so that your sins may be forgiven; and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.”
Acts 2:38 (NRSV)

“Just as the baptism represents the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus Christ, it symbolizes the death and burial of the old self of the repentant believer, and the joyous birth of a brand new being in Christ. Those who founded the Disciples movement taught baptism by immersion as the accepted form. From “Word to the Church on Baptism,” Commission on Theology, 1987”

“Baptism is a public act by which the church proclaims God’s grace, as revealed in the life, death, and resurrection of Jesus Christ, through the use of a visible sign of God’s gracious initiative and the human individual’s response in faith. With other Christians we affirm that baptism is at once a divine gift and a human response…”

“The meaning of baptism is grounded in God’s redemptive action in Christ, it incorporates the believer in the community in the body of Christ, and it anticipates life in the coming age when the powers of the old world will be overcome, and the purposes of God will triumph.”

Thus to me, we receive grace and forgiveness through our baptism, which is followed by the first reception of communion.

Blessings to you.


128 posted on 01/18/2015 10:47:48 AM PST by GreyFriar (Spearhead - 3rd Armored Division 75-78 & 83-87)
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To: Grateful2God; GreyFriar
>>At Baptism we receive Sanctifying Grace which removes the original sin from our souls.<<

Wrong.

Acts 2:38 Peter replied, "Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for (εἰς) the forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.

The Greek word εἰς is a Preposition not a verb. There is no action taking place. Baptism is an outward proclamation of an already occurred forgiveness.

129 posted on 01/18/2015 10:53:43 AM PST by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
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