Posted on 05/13/2014 3:30:17 PM PDT by NYer
The Harvard Extension Cultural Studies Club was planning on hosting a Black Mass (a Satanic mockery of the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass). They originally announced they would be desecrating a consecrated Host during this service.
Now the group responsible for the Black Mass is claiming that they don't have a Host, because we respect all religions and dont want anyone to feel offended. We understand the powerful role that the Eucharist plays in the Christian religion and in no way want to appear as though we dont respect your traditions.
My first reaction was that this was a perfect image of 21st century academia: they want to perform a Satanic Black Mass without offending anyone. But upon further reflection, it occurs to me that this is a powerful case for Catholicism. Think about it this way:
The Eucharist Is Either Jesus or Evil
As I pointed out last month, the Eucharist is either Jesus or mere bread and wine. If the Eucharist is Jesus, everyone should be at Mass, worshipping Our Lord. If the Eucharist is Jesus, there should be no such thing as Protestantism, Mormonism, Islam, atheism, etc. But if the Eucharist isn't Jesus, then for two thousand years, the would-be followers of Jesus Christ were actually idolaters. If that's the case, nobody should be Catholic.
So those are the stakes. Everyone who encountered Jesus of Nazareth was faced with a crucial question: is this God, in some mysterious guise, or not? The early Christians called this the aut Deus aut malus homo (either God or a bad man). Everyone encountering the Eucharist is faced with the same question: either God or idolatry.
And of course, if the Eucharist is pagan idolatry, it's demonic. As 1 Corinthians 10:20 says, what pagans sacrifice they offer to demons and not to God. The whole world hangs on this point: is the Eucharist Jesus or an idol? Is the Sacrifice of the Mass being offered to God, or to demons?
Satan Hates the Eucharist
The satanic Black Mass is a ritual inversion (and mockery) of the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass performed by Satanists. Now, there are two types of Satanists: LaVey Satanists, and theological Satanists. The Satanic Temple folks behind tonight's Black Mass are LaVey Satanists. In other words, they're atheists who don't believe in Satan, and use Satanism as a tool to harass and provoke Christians (unliketheological Satanists, who believe in Satan and worship him). This whole thing, like the satanic monument in Oklahoma, is a deliberate provocation and an attention-seeking measure. But whether the practitioners are playing at the occult, or serious, there's no question that they're tapping into some seriously dark spiritual forces. Satan is at work here.
I don't think they go after Roman Catholicism because they think it's the "source of the (Christian) faith", but because they know so many will cause an uproar and they get more "bang for the buck". Look at it this way...they don't overtly attack Islam because they know it can actually get someone killed. They don't "attack" Hinduism or other Eastern religions because they are not any kind of threat - and, besides, those religions aren't known for violent counterattacks. They don't overtly attack "Protestantism", per se, but they DO covertly by attacking Christianity, in general. But, here's the thing, most Protestants don't get all bent out of shape and hold marches, pray-ins, rosary groups or express public outrage because we KNOW that whatever they might do in no way affects what we believe nor in whom we believe. We don't LIKE it, but we know it harms those doing the mocking attacks, so our concern is with them as individuals rather than thinking we have to shut them all up to somehow protect our faith.
I disagree with Catholicism that Jesus is wholly contained in that consecrated "host" and that, should one be taken and desecrated in a "Satanic" mass, He is NOT really being desecrated - as if He is powerless or trapped inside it unable to prevent the sacrilege. Sorry, I don't believe He would allow that to happen. Whatever His presence is within those elements, it is one of the spirit and not the flesh. It is with faith that we receive the bread and wine as outward testimony of our inward faith in Christ's sacrifice for our sins and we do this "in remembrance of Him". Someone sneaks out with a piece of that bread in order to desecrate Jesus, it no more means that to him than an other bread. It is BY FAITH that we see Christ in them. The other guy is just wasting his time and acting the fool and brings judgment down on himself.
And of course you offer no documentation for this absurd claim.
Yes, thanks for posting NYer.
I always remember the day of his death because it's my birthday. Our good Lord received Padre Pio on my birthday. Lucky heaven.
That is funny coming from you, make sure you make the same comment to the rest of your ilk.
"Catholicism must be true, if the Satanists think so!"
That is hilarious. Every time I save an animated GIF though, and then repost it, it isn’t animated. Anyone know why?
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Protestants: Our validation comes from Scripture.
As one who believes in true Christian unity as Jesus did, that is, He said that when the world sees our unity it will know that God sent Jesus, that is, John 17:23 "May they be brought to complete unity to let the world know that you sent me and have loved them even as you have loved me"
I pray for that day when Christians recognize unity when they see it. I pray that they recognize all their protestant brothers and sisters standing with them against this cheap satanist trick that was scheduled to take place this past Monday.
And I pray that they embrace and exclaim, "See what we accomplished when we stood together."
How a Satanic Goat Statue Threatens the Christian Right When Christian activists in Oklahoma got a Ten Commandments monument placed on capitol grounds, they never expected a backlash like this.
My "ilk"? You mean me and the other "Protestants" on Free Republic that you say are unlike Hindus, Jews or Muslims but who are NOT "covered under invincible ignorance" and "as far as a number of the last group that we have seen here on FR, he (Satan) already has them and they are just to stupid to see it. May God have mercy on them all. I know that I wouldn't."?
What your decidedly UNChristian remark shows is not backed up by any evidence but is only a product of bigotry, bias, pride, arrogance and a failure to discern the body of Christ - fellow brothers and sisters in Christ that even your OWN Catechism admits. Examine yourself.
I will pray that in spite of your mistaken belief that you (and your ilk) will finally come to Christ through the Catholic Church, instead of the false hope that so many of you have.
boatbum, in beneral, I believe you have the right of it. Verga, even the priest who preaches to your Pope, whose name escapes me just now, is a HUGE advocate of patching up Catholic differences with the Protestant Churches, and I am convined both of his sincerity and the rightness of his cause.
One issue I have with at least the RC churches I have visited is the lack of interest in having folks do the Biblically-mandated thing of repentance and accepting Jesus’ gift of salvation. There is much talk of HOPING one is saved and going to heaven, but the Bible gives us that ASSURANCE, if we accept Christ as Savior and repent our sins. Once we have done that, we are ASSURED, by God’s own Word, of Eternal Life with Him in Heaven.
This still leaves room for other things we can differ in, in good faith, but the whole essence of Christianity is salvation through Christ and that is true no matter WHAT church you attend.
In Christ,
D. C. Wright
When Catholics post scripture, I am reminded how rarely that happens. And then I am reminded that Pope Benedict told Catholics not to take the Bible literally.
I disagree with your belief. No ones knows they are saved until they hear “Well done good and faithful servant”.
Are you going to say that God was well pleased with a metaphor, or a symbol?
How is it possible to misinterpret something that can't be taken literally?
Are you going to say that God was well pleased with a metaphor, or a symbol?
Don't ask me - ask your pope emeritus.
You are so cute when you quote out of context.
Feel free to have the last word.
It's horribly inappropriate in this day and age for a male Catholic to announce that he finds another male "cute".
Discuss the issues all you like, but do not make it personal.
John 3:18 He that believeth on Him is not condemned; but he that believeth not is condemned already...
Romans 10:10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
Romans 10:13 For whosoever shall call upon the Name of the Lord shall be saved.
Acts 16:30-31 And brought them out, and said, Sirs, what must I do to be saved?
And they said, Belive on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.
Ephesians 2:8-9 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God;
Not of works, lest any man should boast.
Then read the rest of that chapter for more insights. We ARE SAVED AND SANCTIFIED by the Blood of the Lamb, Christ Jesus. And we know it. It is NOT anything we wait and “hope” for. It is our SURETY, according to His Word and His Grace. That is WHY Jesus came into this world, that we might KNOW our Salvation.
Whatever it is you believe, what I just showed you is straight from the Bible.
They don’t attack Protestantism because nobody cares if they do. Catholics and Mormons attack it already.
You are right about betting more bang for the buck.
I have to wonder though, if the Catholics ever really stopped to think about their reasoning. Satanists are attacking us therefore we must be right.
Is that really an argument that they want to use to bolster their religion?
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