Posted on 01/20/2014 10:31:37 AM PST by markomalley
Pope Francis' newly chosen Spanish cardinal, 84-year-old Fernando Sebastian Aguilar, has described homosexuality as a "defect" that can be corrected with treatment, sparking condemnation from gay rights groups.
"A lot of people complain and don't tolerate it but with all respect I say that homosexuality is a defective way of manifesting sexuality, because that has a structure and a purpose, which is procreation," Sebastian told Malaga newspaper Sur.
The interview was published Sunday, a week after the Spaniard was named as one of 19 new cardinals chosen by the pope, to be officially appointed February 22.
"We have a lot of defects in our bodies. I have high blood pressure. Am I going to get angry because they tell me that? It is a defect I have that I have to correct as far as I can," said Sebastian, who is the archbishop emeritus of the northern city of Pamplona.
"Pointing out a defect to a homosexual is not an offence, it is a help because many cases of homosexuality can be recovered and normalised with adequate treatment. It is not an offence, it is esteem. When someone has a defect, the good friend is the one who tells him."
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Either way, it really doesn't matter -- "be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind."
I worked in the arts for decades, where about 40% of the people you worked with every day were gay. I got to know many very well, and listened to them talk about their lives. Although I did not argue with them about it, and simply remained a tolerant friend and co-worker, I came to understand and disagree with the "born that way" theory through hearing their stories and getting to know their parents and siblings.
I think it could result from some sort of chemical imbalance, but most likely it’s psychological. Absent or neglectful father being the commonest cause.
Behaviors are complex because we are complex. There is no one cause though the libs and homos would want us to think that. They also want us to think behaviors can’t be modified..........................
Even if that's true, the gay lobby has been trying to suppress or outlaw any sort of recovery research or medical therapy, while vigorously supporting transgressive public behavior like using any bathroom, endorsing the teaching of perverted sex acts in elementary schools and demanding government assistance to obtain mutilating transgender surgery.
> Of course, the gay activists like to say that gay people are born that way, but even if they were, they still need to get fixed.
Well it seems there are plenty of homos that are all too willing to show them the ropes... Hypersexuality, sexualy deviancy, over aggressive tendencies seems to be recurring themes
Time in the womb and the environmental factors associated are indeed possible contributors.
But it would not be an identifiable mutation except under extreme cicumstances. Most likely modify the resulting proteins produced by the existing alleles.
Would not discount it. But again, it’s not really a transmitted genetic trait; it’s something acquired, and possibly treated.
Mammals evolved needing two to tango. And it can’t be two with the same equipment set. Or predilection to the same equipment. Maybe could work some other way; there many examples in the lower phyla. But not ours.
Thanks markomalley.
I thought Cardinals had to ‘retire’ at @ 75 not be newly appointed in their 80s?
The militant homos will be all over him about that.
Diocesan bishops must OFFER their resignation at 75 (it does not have to be accepted).
Cardinals over 80 lose the right to vote for the next Pope, but they never "resign".
Yeah — interesting — I am not saying all were born that way. But that was certainly the opinion of the few gays I have personally known. I think sexual preferences are generally pretty well hard coded. Any normal red blooded male will react in disgust at what these perverts enjoy. Somehow they are messed up and need God’s healing.
It’s easier for them to make their argument if they say they were born that way, or that it’s in their genes.
But even if true, that doesn’t mean it shouldn’t be fixed. If a child is born with a split lip, you try to fix it. If a child is born with a physical defect, you fix it if you can. And if a child starts out life with wild behavior, you try to deal with that.
Some tribulations God gives us have to be accepted. Others are meant to be dealt with and corrected or defeated.
If they are born that way, how do you explain a man who grows up and marries, has several children, and then at 50 years old says he is gay, leaves his wife and children and goes prancing off? It is definitely a choice!
” I thought Cardinals had to ‘retire’ at @ 75 not be newly appointed in their 80s?”
Popes have always been able to appoint “honorary” cardinals over 80.
For example, Avery Dulles, a well known theologian (and son of John Dulles and nephew of Allen Dulles) was named a cardinal at 82 by JPII. Interestingly, he was not even a bishop when he was named cardinal. (He even got a dispensation from episcopal orders prior to his elevation)
Homosexuality is a SIN corrected by making the proper choice not to engage in said sin.
Can be born with the defect or not. But engaging in the behavior is ALWAYS a choice.
Thats an edge case. I did not say ALL. However I would explain your example very simply — that person was born bi-sexual or was gay all along and tried to live straight because t was more acceptable.
Most gays know they are gay in their teens. That was the case for every gay I have known. In most cases it is not just a “choice”. That’s BS. There is no way I could just choose to be gay. I am hard-wired straight. Almost impossible to change that in most people.
I no more believe someone is born homosexual than the man in the moon. If you’re born that way why is it that many women living the lesbian lifestyle were once married, some of them for years, and had 5 or 6 children? Then all the sudden at the age of 45 or 50 they discover they are really a lesbian?
The same thing goes for homosexuals. Most I have ever known in my life had either no father in the home when they were growing up or a father that had nothing at all to do with them. In otherwords no strong male role model that showed them how to be a man. Most homosexuals were pampered by their mothers. I have also known of those living their life as a homosexual that started going to church, got right with the Lord and abandoned their homosexuals ways. Some got married and raised a family.
I think homosexuality is a learned trait. And since normal functioning people are not attracted to the same sex, it is certainly a mental disorder!
I do not agree that it is hard wired, and well-intentioned people who indulge this excuse are not helping sexually disordered people. The fact that gay people may believe or say they were born that way is no proof whatsoever, as most children go through a period of believing the opposite sex is "yucky", or of having a crush on a teacher or friend of the same sex while their hormonal systems are under development. When do-gooders get in there and start insisting that this phenomenon is a rock-solid proof of homosexual orientation and a permanent condition like racial physical features, they are blowing smoke and harming the person dealing with this question.
"Gay affirming" has become not only an epidemic, but the hysteria has extended to the courts, where they are seeking to criminalize any other possible explanation or solution, whether religious, sociological or scientific.
Maybe he has to work with whomever senior clergy are left after his housecleaning, for the time being.
(Hi, FRiend!)
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