Posted on 01/03/2014 8:59:21 PM PST by matthewrobertolson
Protestants opposed contraception until the 1930 Lambeth Conference. After this, positions changed. So, did the Bible change, or did they?
Clearly I spoke with a lack of precision, but that doesn’t change my point.
There are some erring Baptists, but I am talking the bible belt variety (which dominates). I could also point to biblically rebellious Catholic congregations, that the pope knows about and could probably get to reform if he paid them a visit. Kettle, be careful about calling the pot black.
Yes, set by “The C[h]urch” i.e. a bunch of people who thought God gave them a license to treat His glory like Play-Doh!
If you can’t feed them, don’t breed them. Even Catholic countries fund birth control because they would go broke otherwise.
Incest/rape is a wrong reason and I’d rebuke them for doing this.
However triage of life in an either/or situation is an unavoidable situation. In pretending to be so simon-pure, Catholics have used delicate language in talking about such matters as tubal pregnancies.
If it were for the sake of God that they were wanting to save these lives, they’d have a leg to stand on and they’d also have something they could urge the rest of “erring” Christendom about. However it appears that they have virtually idolized “life” — made it a brag point — and thus are doing the “right thing for the wrong reasons.” If I am looking for a church (in the modern sense of worship community) to go to, I don’t want to hear that you are a “life” church! I want to hear that you are a “God” church! Because my “life” as you are cheering it on ends when I die. But the “life” as God affirms lasts forever. Again, once saved always saved... Baptists are MORE pro-life there. In the context that means the most to God.
Let me not mince words about once saved always saved.
Maybe Baptists murder (not the same as triage killing) some babies’ bodies. It is a shame to them and they should stop.
But with your stupid, biblically unfaithful way of claiming to moderate people’s eternal lives by the decree of mere men, you Catholics are murdering Christians in attitude.
I’ve never understood why Catholics - or anyone else for that matter - pays any attention to the ravings of the Episcopal Church. As a young man, I joined the Whiskeypalians and it took me almost two decades to get their ideas out of my mind and soul.
Hey, I think Baptists could stand to loosen up a bit (they ought to be affirming the glorification of God in their bodies, and then let that take care of myriads of issues only ONE of which is drinking to excess). If that’s what you are alluding to by Whiskey-palians. The Baptists came off of the Anglican church, believing that reform did not go far enough (and they were wise to have done that — a church stuck to a government is going to get dragged through the mud sooner or later).
'Way too late a date of origin.
The first autonomous local church at Jerusalem taught the doctrine of Christ as received from the disciples, baptized only repentant believer-disciples, broke bread from house to house, saw to one another's needs, prayed, convened in the church house, and sent missionaries out to plant other local, autonomous churches.
It was a Baptist church. These Baptists were the very first, the prototype of all Baptists to come. They were those personally chosen and trained by Jesus, and wrote the New Testament documents.
After only a short time, a number of scholarly Platonists crept in, brought and taught the marriage of their "over-soul" concept with The Gospel, thus perverting it. With it came the seeds of the tares: paedobaptism, a statist church, a sacral society, and earning your way to heaven.
But the Baptists were there and were the beginning; and have shown resurgence again and again throughout this church age, continually preaching Bible truth, truly saving souls from each escoliated generation, and being persecuted to death by the Sin-serving defiantly oppositional religionists.
Idolatry is way way too easy for mankind, is the reason.
One can idolize an institution.
It’s an example of the garden folly. The Serpent claimed that people could know good and evil off on their lonesome. They can not. There isn’t any good and evil other than what God has arranged to be (or to permit). In that sick game, you come short of the glory of God. You expurgate His reality. Trying to make it personal, you just come up with a rotten fruit (remember that Eve actually had to PICK that thing off its tree). And God hates it.
I personally am not a member of the Baptists, but I go to one of their churches to worship and they consider me a brother (open communion). I would be leery about affiliation to any denomination, but perhaps God has set up my background (mostly independent bible church) to clarify that to me.
Can you explain escoliated? I think it’s a typo, but Google is of no help here. Not trying to put your point down, just trying to figure out more about it.
Ah, the voice of the "Church of Nice" where telling the Truth as Scripture lays it out is proof of an attitude problem.
Yessiree, The Church of Nice where those who are dumber than a bag of hammers gather and press on toward their own damnation with a smile on their face.
If you're blaming the 1930 Lambeth Conference for this, don't.
Last sentence in Article 15 of the Resolutions:
"The Conference records its strong condemnation of the use of any methods of conception control from motives of selfishness, luxury, or mere convenience."
Well, you do need to catch the overarching spirit before you can really make sense of the bible, because it has some difficult passages in it.
It turns out that God indeed IS very gracious. Most of the hardships of life are things that we courted ourselves in our foolish isolation from God’s own goodness.
But anyhow that overarching spirit is NOT “let’s be our own thing.” And the more we try to meet it, the more we see that we are flawed. And here’s where affirming a promise of permanent salvation (no one shall snatch them out of My hand) is a great help. Satan can lay feelings on you from time to time that are false. You can feel unsaved and yet know you aren’t unsaved.
Where did the original poster refer to a broad brush? Your comment was directed to me. If you did not want to give me the impression it was intended for me, you should have directed it elsewhere.
Chapter and verse?
It's no different than church sanctioned divorce relabeled and repackaged as "annulment".
Preventing conception for the purpose of sex without procreative ability is the same no matter what method is used. NFP is no different than what Onan did.
That was indeed wise for Lambeth to have noted. It’s extremely sad to see that it fell by the wayside.
We should be pro-life in soul most of all. Then we should let that be expressed in our bodies. Bodily murder is a ghastly thing. It is deeply disrespectful for God. It’s not for nothing that in the Noahide covenant, God singled it out among evil acts as being punishable by blood. Delving into deeper history, however, one notes that the wicked Cain was not killed (even though he was marked). And even today we allow physical killings or are more lenient towards them based on certain circumstances.
Christ, interestingly enough, equated causeless anger with murder. And it’s worth delving into that issue. I’d say any killing that takes place for causeless anger is a murder. If you’re angry at the possibility of, as our dear Obama put it, “being punished with a baby” then to kill that baby is a murder.
That's interesting because the Anglican/Episcopalian churches are the closest to the Catholic church and the Catholic church will accept their priests and allow them to become Catholic priests and remain in their married state. Something they don't even allow for their own priests. The *Protestant* denomination that gets more favor from the Catholic church than any other one.
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