Posted on 08/05/2013 6:15:40 PM PDT by wmfights
We look back in time, and say the universe is 15 billion years old. But as every scientist knows, when we say the universe is 15 billion years old, there's another half of the sentence that we rarely bother to say. The other half of the sentence is: The universe is 15 billion years old as seen from the time-space coordinates of the earth.
The key is that the Torah looks forward in time, from very different time-space coordinates, when the universe was small. Since then, the universe has expanded out. Space stretches, and that stretching of space totally changes the perception of time.
(Excerpt) Read more at geraldschroeder.com ...
the Civil War was just 84 years before I was born;
What i have thought about a lot is the scripture that says ( in the last days or end times that knowledge would be increased
Knowledge has been greatly increased and almost every thing has been in our day, it would not surprise me in the least to here that science has increased more since 1948 than every thing in history put together.
There was no fall of man, it was a push.
Is it that they do not believe in god or are they just anti God, big difference.
I was born the day the bomb was dropped on Hiroshima. Just eighty years after the Civil War, a weapon of such destructive power was used in war! (Not me, the bomb.) Sixty eight years later and humankind now have the capability of ending human life on the planet. And I don’t see that the spiritual development of humankind has been progressing. On the contrary, we appear to be degenerating faster than corn through a goose.
“Previously’? LOL
Bmfl
I’m sure God will want to check-in with you before doing it again.
I’m not disagreeing with you, I’ simply asking:
When G_d said “Let there be light!”, what would that event “look” like? Would it appear as if a light-switch were turned on to expose things as they already were - or was it the beginning of something new?
In that the universe appears to be expanding, it seems logical that matter has a point of origin - something “new”.
A restatement to clarify my thought: in the book of Genesis there was no fall of man, it was a push.
A restatement to clarify my thought: in the book of Genesis there was no fall of man, it was a push.
I was born the day the bomb was dropped on Hiroshima.
(Not me, the bomb.) ok, i would not admit it either, ha ha.
Of course this is a perfectly legitimate position but it suffers from the fact that it is an artificial conglomeration of mutually antagonistic narratives. No scientist that I am aware of has ever agreed to accept the Biblical chronology if all scientific theories were placed into the "Six Days," nor do any of them grant the historical reality of the Flood, the Dispersion, the genealogies, etc.
Schroeder's conglomeration is like (as pointed out on another thread) mixing Calvinism with Pentecostalism or something.
And as Forrest Gump said, that's all I have to say on this topic.
Not at all, I’ve just come to a new understanding.
You were created by God correct?
The conclusion I come to is that the creation stories you read in ancient literature refer to the creation of our own living world and local environment, and not to the creation of the entire universe. Our planet was originally a very dark sort of place, whence the huge eyes of the older creatures, particularly dinosaurs and hominids.
Other than that, the question you're asking does have an answer, but it's a longish story. Primitive people seeking to devise an astral religion from scratch today would invariably end up worshiping the sun and moon; nonetheless the two chieftain gods of all ancient religions were the two dwarf stars, Jupiter and Saturn, and Saturn in particular. The main religious festival in Rome was called Saturnalia and our sabbath is still called 'Saturn's Day' for some reason.
One version of this story starts here:
http://saturndeathcult.com/the-sturn-death-cult-part-1/a-timeless-age-in-a-purple-haze/
http://saturndeathcult.com/the-sturn-death-cult-part-1/from-purple-haze-to-golden-days/
http://saturndeathcult.com/the-sturn-death-cult-part-1/the-golden-age/
A more complete version which deals with human origins is here.
Not at all, I’ve just come to a new understanding.
You were created by God correct?
Hi all,
I understand and agree with what you say. I guess there is no answer to a hypothetical question about God. Or perhaps this is one He will have to answer for me once I see Him.
To me, it seems as if it could just as easily been the opposite. But evil has always existed as long as I have therefore I think it could have always existed and that is not the case.
Does any of that make sense? Trying to understand the mind of God with my human mind just gives rise to this type of musing.
Best to all,
jodyel
wmfights,
Thanks for this OP... I have for a very long time been fond of the idea that time is not constant, and in fact follows the same rate of decay as everything else - This Schroeder guy fits hand and glove with that assumption. What that does to everything is exceptional and profound. Nearly everything from the calculation of work, to the assembly of mass, to the calculations of the expansion rate of the universe. Almost anything we have done in science relies upon time being constant in some way or another.
In addition to the introduction of entropy at the moment of sin, one must also point out the physical ramifications thereof - the sudden growth of weeds, the difficulty of harvest - something changed then that was profound and immediate - Almost an IF/THEN equation which did not alter man, or only man... But rather, the whole environment... perhaps reality itself...
One then is left with the suggestion that we cannot possibly perceive the whole of the truth from within the fishbowl, because everything we can perceive or be made aware of is altered from it’s perfection. What is a lion but that it has tooth and claw? Powerful, and made to kill, but perhaps the lion, in it’s perfection is not that at all. How can one conceive what a lion might be without them? It’s very nature depends thereon.
Kinda deep for my shallow mind...Guess they call that brain food...
While science claims that the universe is expanding we still don't know if God created everything at the same time...All we know is that God created the Earth without form, and void...And we know at one time dinosaurs roamed the Earth, apparently sometime after the Earth was without form and void...
And while we know that God improved the Earth from nothingness, we don't know when that took place...
It's interesting and we will know some day...But science will not figure it out in this age...
“Maybe CS Lewis had it right in the “Space Trilogy” ???
Mars is old, successful, and on it’s way out...
Earth is mid-life, failed, unsuccessful and quarantined, BUT has received healing (from Jesus), and the cure is percolating here as the angels marvel...
Venus is at the beginning of its life, but it’s looking good so far, despite the enemy’s intrusions...”
This is fascinating and I’ve often wondered what the rest of the universe was created for. Only to show us just how great God is by creating it or something more...something for us to partake in once in eternity.
I hope the “no eye has seen, no ear has heard, no mind has imagined what God has prepared for those who love Him” 1 Cor. verse might apply to this. If so, I am ready to “trek” on into eternity now! :)
I don't know about any of that in the Jewish sense but the six days of Creation are very important for Christians...
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