[ravenwolf]

There was no fall of man, it was a push.

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Kind of reminds me of people i hear who say they do not believe in god but if they lose a loved one or if something bad happens, they blame it onto god.

Is it that they do not believe in god or are they just anti God, big difference.

[Jack of all Trades]

A restatement to clarify my thought: in the book of Genesis there was no fall of man, it was a push.