Posted on 08/05/2013 6:15:40 PM PDT by wmfights
We look back in time, and say the universe is 15 billion years old. But as every scientist knows, when we say the universe is 15 billion years old, there's another half of the sentence that we rarely bother to say. The other half of the sentence is: The universe is 15 billion years old as seen from the time-space coordinates of the earth.
The key is that the Torah looks forward in time, from very different time-space coordinates, when the universe was small. Since then, the universe has expanded out. Space stretches, and that stretching of space totally changes the perception of time.
(Excerpt) Read more at geraldschroeder.com ...
And how does it just so happen that the God that created this universe is a holy God without sin? Perfect in every way?
How did we get that fortunate?
Could it just as easily have been a god of evil?
That’s what I wonder.
Genesis is 'literal' but does not give the complete story. There is no date given when Genesis 1:1 began. Then in Genesis 1:2 we are told about the 'overthrow - casting down' of the rebel devil.
Sometime between Genesis 1:1 and 1:2 is when that 'tree of the knowledge of good and evil' took root. So there was 'sin' even before the formation of the Adam in a flesh body.
Peter says that one day is as a thousand years with the LORD and a thousand years is as a day. Peter also says that according to the holy prophets there are three different heaven/earth worlds (ages) The first heaven/earth age was destroyed by a flood, and that is exactly what Genesis 1:2 states as well.
Solomon in Ecclesiastes 1:9 The thing that hath been it is that which shall be; and that which is done is that which shall be done: and there is no new thing under the sun.
<10 Is there any thing whereof it may be said 'See, this is new?' it hath been already of old time, which was before us.
11 There is no remembrance of former things, neither shall there be any remembrance of things that are to come with those that shall come after.
Genesis 5:27 And all the days of Methuselah were nine hundred sixty and nine years: and he died.
No flesh being lived in a flesh body a full 'day' with the LORD. Then in Genesis 6 because of what the flesh beings participated in and with, their life span was cut to max 120 years.
The 'days' of creation are the LORD's work and while there is no doubt He could have performed His work in a 24 hour day, that is not what HE instructed His elect to pen.
We are not told when the soul/spirit intellect was created, just as we are not told the date when the first rebel rebelled, but it was before Genesis 1:2.
it is fabulous
must be read slowly, like the Bible
taking it in carefully, step by step
and you see the reality unfolding
it is enough for faith to accept on faith
that which it is not given to us to understand,
but that does not mean that everything
is not for our understanding;
it sometimes means we have just not had
the teaching & opportunuty to acquire
a greaer understanding;
Shroeder helps us obtain the latter two
there is no discrepancy between true science
and much of the bible; its more a lack of our
incomplete knowledge in the realm of one or the other
“I’m a big fan of Gerald Schroeder.”
I’ve become one.
The idea of a supposedly omniscient God “suddenly deciding it would be a cool thing to do to”
says who, that G-d decided it would be a “cool thing”; from where (not the Bible) do you get than notion
“while the idea had nevr occurred to him previously”
again, says who; where in the bible or in science does it say there was no universe before the present one??? no where
“is basically just as idiotic as the idea of the mass of the universe being collapsed to a point and then banging its way out of the point”
what we don’t understand can always sound idiotic
“Venus is at the beginning of its life, but it’s looking good so far, despite the enemy’s intrusions...”
in the expected life and lifetime of the solar system, and as the sun is in its expansion phase, the sun will burn venus up when some life remains possible on earth
Why doesn't a hydrogen atom collapse into a neutral particle? The electromagnetic force is much stronger than gravity.
Maybe Earth will outlive Venus. It’s all speculation. I was not “seriesly” speculating about the actual nature of the planets. I was providing conversational fodder for varmintman, who had commented to me that Venus seems younger than Earth and Mars.
I was just over-summarizing CS Lewis’s Sci-Fi novel, “Perelandra.”
So the book’s a little off — it’s not much of a stretch to say that no green humans live on Venus either. But the books (”Out of the Silent Planet,” “Perelandra,” and “That Hideous Strength” are an interesting way for Lewis to help us fallen humans understand our own situation. God talks to us in many ways, including through all the analogies he has made for us.
I've had the same thoughts.
Thinking about this topic I've been reminded about Paul writing about how none have excuse because God is revealed in nature.
Rom. 1:20 For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen,...
Thankfully the Godhead is not as evidenced by His willingness to sacrifice His Son to redeem us.
Drivel would be a polite word.
Genesis is literal.
In the beginning the earth was void and with out form, God did not create the earth in six days because it was already here before the first day.
The Genesis you refer to was the work of English writers.
They knew how to write. But the translation is several times removed from anything original.
The big bang idea is bad physics and bad theology rolled into a package.
The Genesis you refer to was the work of English writers.
Nope, because "good" and "evil" are, by definition, that which does or doesn't conform to the will of God.
what we don’t understand can always sound idiotic
If some one believes that God created the earth and the universe in six literal days and then try to come up with a scientific explanation to fit what they believe the Bible says, what kind of science is that.
Is the outcome of the figures all that people are interested in?
I am one that believes the bible, but i do not believe it says anything about everything being created in six literal days, so if the scientific study would be using my definition of a day what would they have had to come up with?
I am not anti science but my belief in God is not based on what is approved or not approved by science.
Could you be more specific.
shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach
If God created everything, then God created evil and Satan. Omnipotent, omniscient and omnipresent - God created everything, and knows everything, everywhere and for all time, including the future. Per Genesis, God put Adam and Eve in the Garden with the one substance in the universe which would destroy them and the one entity (whom he created) bent on that happening. He did this knowing they would eat from the tree. That’s love? That’s the ideal of fatherhood?
There was no fall of man, it was a push.
The Creator created a Universe with inhabitants who have the right to choose between good and rejection of God. A significant number of angelic as well as human beings have chosen rejection of God. Blaming God for rejecting Him is silly at best, a cop out for immorality at worst.
I am certain that neither you nor I has a sufficient data base to be certain of anything as large as the way the Universe of multi-dimensional qualities works. Therefore all of us are operating on faith, faith placed in one perspective or another. Spitting in The Creator's face is a silly perspective to take, and may be the ultimate 'bummer'.
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