Posted on 07/19/2013 5:39:12 AM PDT by fatima
http://www.spiritdaily.com/lorig.htm
For Father Lorig, going strong at 77 and full of the Spirit, it's a matter of seeing some of it with his own eyes.
On about a dozen occasions, says the priest, he has personally encountered spirits of the dead, including at bedside during the night, and has been led to pray their souls toward Jesus.
Father Lorig, who was ordained a Catholic priest in 1984, and who is married with four children (and fifteen grandchildren), had some special experiences while at Saint Andrew's Episcopal Church in Nogales (near the Mexican border).
"It was built over an Indian graveyard -- paleo-Indians who were peaceful," says Father Lorig, pastor of Saint Maria Goretti parish (he is not associated with previous claims at this church of the supernatural).
"While we were digging a sacrarium -- a dry well [for proper disposal of Communion wine] -- the workmen came upon hand-made pots. We called the University of Arizona, which had paleontologists, and they came down.
Purgatory is not a “second chance”. We are sanctified throughout our lives on earth by the blood of the lamb once we have accepted his freely given salvation. We were saved, we are being saved through Him.and we wil be saved By Him. Once dead we are either to heaven or to hell. Those condemned by their own deeds to help do not go through purgatory, there is no second chance unless God wishes. Those going to heaven undergo the final washing of their residual.sins. this is by the blood of the lamb. This is the final ‘step’ of sanctification, this is purgatory. You arrive fully purified in heaeven as no evil can be in His presence. In the state of purgatory you are not given chances, you are going to heaven not to help.
The idea that's in the Bible?
"Nothing impure will ever enter it, nor will anyone who does what is shameful or deceitful, but only those whose names are written in the Lamb's book of life."
Rev. 21:27
...portrays a God who is a demanding, harsh, taskmaster.
Your characterization of Catholic teaching is alien to Catholics.
God is merciful, but also just. No one deserves His mercy. Does that make Him cruel? This is the same God who took our sins to the Cross.
What did Jesus mean when He "said to his disciples, "If any of you wants to be my follower, you must turn from your selfish ways, take up your cross, and follow me"?
He still isn’t summoning the dead. The dead have come to him voluntarily. All he is doing is praying for them. So, no, that does not apply here.
With respect to your concern that he is just doing things without getting guidance or approval, we don’t know that he did not do so. If there’s one thing I have learned, articles aren’t always complete and accurate. He may have very well gotten approval.
My only question is setting up specific Masses for the main purpose of praying for souls that are disturbing an area. On any given Sunday, we may pray for the souls “in” purgatory as part of the Prayer of the Faithful, but I have never heard of saying Mass specifically for questionable souls that are not “in” purgatory at Mass.
That doesn’t mean it’s never been done nor that it is wrong to do so, but it is something that I would need to look into further. Unfortunately, in this day and age as I alluded to in another post, you can’t assume that every priest is acting in accordance with the Catholic Faith or following Catholic rubrics in the Mass.
Galatians 2:20-21 20 I have been crucified with Christ. It is no longer I who live, but Christ who lives in me. And the life I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave himself for me. 21 I do not nullify the grace of God, for if righteousness were through the law, then Christ died for no purpose.
2 Corinthians 5:17-19 17 Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation. The old has passed away; behold, the new has come. 18 All this is from God, who through Christ reconciled us to himself and gave us the ministry of reconciliation; 19 that is, in Christ God was reconciling the world to himself, not counting their trespasses against them, and entrusting to us the message of reconciliation.
Positionally, I am already in heaven with Christ.
Ephesians 2:4-7 4 But God, being rich in mercy, because of the great love with which he loved us, 5 even when we were dead in our trespasses, made us alive together with Christ—by grace you have been saved— 6 and raised us up with him and seated us with him in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus, 7 so that in the coming ages he might show the immeasurable riches of his grace in kindness toward us in Christ Jesus.
The sin that I deal with is in the flesh, this body, and when this body dies, the last of that is gone and I will be absent from the body and present with the Lord.
God is merciful, but also just. No one deserves His mercy. Does that make Him cruel? This is the same God who took our sins to the Cross.
God's justice was satisfied by the cross. A believer doesn't know God as a god of justice. Only unbelievers experience Him that way and take His wrath.
Since Jesus died in my place, I can now know Him as a God of mercy.
2 Corinthians 5:21 For our sake he made him to be sin who knew no sin, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God.
What did Jesus mean when He "said to his disciples, "If any of you wants to be my follower, you must turn from your selfish ways, take up your cross, and follow me"?
Repent. That's what repentance is.
Your characterization of Catholic teaching is alien to Catholics.
On the contrary, that is exactly how Catholics act and react towards God. It is plainly seen here on these threads by the multitudes of Catholics who think, hope, pray, that they might be saved and only will know after they've died if they made the grade, grateful for suffering in purgatory because it means they made it to heaven after all. How twisted.
“If I attended a church where the pastor talked like this guy, I get out of there as fast as these Red Ball Jets would take me...”
Took the words right out of my mouth, Iscool. Those that believe this are not Christians. They are following occult practices which are forbidden. Pray for them.
—— The sin that I deal with is in the flesh, this body, and when this body dies, the last of that is gone and I will be absent from the body and present with the Lord. ——
Old heresies, like gnosticism, never die. They just changge labels.
“This utter pessimism, bemoaning the existence of the whole universe as a corruption and a calamity, with a feverish craving to be freed from the body of this death and a mad hope that, if we only knew, we could by some mystic words undo the cursed spell of this existence “
http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/06592a.htm
Sorry to hear that.
Sadly, we are dealing with a lot of old heresies here so I am not surprised.
Same here, Toespi, I'm also a believer in miracles. Also, I don't think there's a great chasm of separation between our reality and the spiritual world. The devil exists, but so do angels as well as the souls of the dead. I would never, ever try to conjure up the spirits as the Bible warns us not to, however; what are we to do when spirits reach across to us? Believe me, I don't want that either but it's happened to me a few times. I know one encounter I had was not a demon, it was my mother and I pray to God for her. There's nothing wrong in praying for one's mother, despite what others here are claiming!
While there is life there is hope. Yes, anti-Catholic Protestants are often both ignorant (or stupid) and dishonest. The Holy Spirit, however, is stronger than either ignorance or dishonesty.
Amen.
I understand. I often feel the same way. Then I remind myself how patient Christ is with me. Should I be any less patient in correcting the errors of His enemies?
Actually Christ did establish the Catholic Church.
I have never thought that there was another chance after death, although from the discussion it appears that some people do,
As far as Purgatory itself goes, to quoote a famous atheist/scientist, I forget which one, “I do not need that hypotheses”. It is not in the Bible.
We are sanctified by the blood of Christ, not by suffering.
Purgatory is a false doctrine that allows for salvation apart from Christ.
—if it’s not in the Bible it’s just a man-made fantasy.
Christ established his church with himself as the one and only head.
Christ established the Church, but He appointed men to run it with the guidance of the Holy Spirit. That’s why He gathered 12 Apostles.
I haven’t been on FR long, but it seems to me that 99% of the Protestant posters are “Bible Only” Protestants. Is that accurate? I find that I rarely see other types of Protestants posting in these threads at all. If they are, it isn’t obvious.
You’re getting warmer, he established the church with himself as the cornerstone, and the one and only head, and we Christians are his saints. Many upon many will be deceived, but hold fast to his word, and truth will set us free. Ask and he promises we will receive, seek and he promises we will find. God bless you on this day, and may he turn his face upon you.
Only Catholics and the Catholic church could consider Biblical teaching heresy....
Romans 8:1-10 There is therefore now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus. 2 For the law of the Spirit of life has set you free in Christ Jesus from the law of sin and death. 3 For God has done what the law, weakened by the flesh, could not do. By sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh and for sin, he condemned sin in the flesh, 4 in order that the righteous requirement of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not according to the flesh but according to the Spirit. 5 For those who live according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those who live according to the Spirit set their minds on the things of the Spirit. 6 For to set the mind on the flesh is death, but to set the mind on the Spirit is life and peace. 7 For the mind that is set on the flesh is hostile to God, for it does not submit to God's law; indeed, it cannot. 8 Those who are in the flesh cannot please God.
9 You, however, are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if in fact the Spirit of God dwells in you. Anyone who does not have the Spirit of Christ does not belong to him. 10But if Christ is in you, although the body is dead because of sin, the Spirit is life because of righteousness.
Galatians 2:20 I have been crucified with Christ. It is no longer I who live, but Christ who lives in me. And the life I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave himself for me.
“This utter pessimism, bemoaning the existence of the whole universe as a corruption and a calamity, with a feverish craving to be freed from the body of this death and a mad hope that, if we only knew, we could by some mystic words undo the cursed spell of this existence “
Spoken by a man who obviously has no clue about what salvation entails.
He doesn't long to be freed from this body of death? Then he loves his sin too much.
Mystic words? No, it's not magic or some sort of rote recital of a formula that activates salvation.
Romans 7:16-25 16 Now if I do what I do not want, I agree with the law, that it is good. 17 So now it is no longer I who do it, but sin that dwells within me. 18 For I know that nothing good dwells in me, that is, in my flesh. For I have the desire to do what is right, but not the ability to carry it out. 19 For I do not do the good I want, but the evil I do not want is what I keep on doing. 20 Now if I do what I do not want, it is no longer I who do it, but sin that dwells within me.
21 So I find it to be a law that when I want to do right, evil lies close at hand. 22 For I delight in the law of God, in my inner being, 23 but I see in my members another law waging war against the law of my mind and making me captive to the law of sin that dwells in my members. 24 Wretched man that I am! Who will deliver me from this body of death? 25 Thanks be to God through Jesus Christ our Lord! So then, I myself serve the law of God with my mind, but with my flesh I serve the law of sin.
Romans 8:18-23 18 For I consider that the sufferings of this present time are not worth comparing with the glory that is to be revealed to us. 19 For the creation waits with eager longing for the revealing of the sons of God.
20 For the creation was subjected to futility, not willingly, but because of him who subjected it, in hope 21 that the creation itself will be set free from its bondage to corruption and obtain the freedom of the glory of the children of God. 22 For we know that the whole creation has been groaning together in the pains of childbirth until now. 23 And not only the creation, but we ourselves, who have the firstfruits of the Spirit, groan inwardly as we wait eagerly for adoption as sons, the redemption of our bodies.
The heart is desperately wicked and deceitful above all else. There is nothing good that dwells in the unredeemed man.
There is in the redeemed man, that is the Spirit of Christ which has given the believer new life and made him reborn spiritually.
No one can see their need for God until they see themselves and their sin as God sees it. Everything we do is corrupted and tainted by sin, which is why OUR good deeds are as filthy rags to God.
Those works cannot even be done with the right motive so that alone corrupts them.
There isn't.
Hebrews 9:27-28 And just as it is appointed for man to die once, and after that comes judgment, so Christ, having been offered once to bear the sins of many, will appear a second time, not to deal with sin but to save those who are eagerly waiting for him.
Sin was dealt with on the cross.
The believer is saved when he is born again. Today is the day of salvation.
2 Corinthians 6:1-2 Working together with him, then, we appeal to you not to receive the grace of God in vain. 2 For he says, “In a favorable time I listened to you, and in a day of salvation I have helped you.”
Behold, now is the favorable time; behold, now is the day of salvation.
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