The differences between Judaism and Zionism.

JEWS NOT ZIONISTS ^ | G. Neuburger

[Jo Nuvark]

Judaism is Torah based and GOD honoring. Zionism is politically based and GODless. http://www.jewsnotzionists.org/differencejudzion.html

The role of Zionism in the Holocaust. http://www.jewsnotzionists.org/holocaust-zionism.htm

[Jo Nuvark]

There has been times before in Jewish history, as related in the Bible, when the masses were misled and only a minority of Jews clung to the true mission of the Jewish people. One of the first such of the occasions was the worship of the golden calf; today we unfortunately see a repetition of this, with the Zionist state now being the object of worship. Until the appearance and growing influence of political Zionism, Jewish leaders were chosen on the basis of their piety, decency, learning, and their love of justice and mercy. Today only too often so-called Jewish leaders, completely unqualified under Jewish law and traditional concepts, make pronouncements and decisions in the name and on behalf of the Jewish people. This is particularly true in the USA where there is the largest Jewish community in our time. I can never forget the remark of a woman in Oklahoma: "Isn't today's Judaism wonderful! All you have to do is give money."

[Nachum]

Whatever one may think of Israel and Zionism, most Jews (observant and non-observant) believe in defending the right of Jews to live in peace on the land God promised them.

[chesley]

Oh-oh.

[Jewbacca]

So are you Neturei Karta, Iranian, or some sort of replacement theologian?

Also, in reality:

1. Jewish people in the USA are barely supporters of Israel. This was evidenced by the last election. Those that are Zionist are in Israel.

2. As an Orthodox Jewish man myself, as well as a sabra-Israeli, you would find that the influence of the atheist types waning and the religious growing in Israel. Indeed, even among the non-observant, just being in Israel, and among other Jewish people makes them slowly-but-surely observant.

3. The Deformed do not speak for Judaism and are a waning influence, even in the USA. They’ll be Episcopalians in a generation. They have a loud voice because they are useful idiots for the Democrat Party, and thus propped up by state media.

[SubMareener]

I remember reading the the Odyssey was not actually written by Homer, but by another Greek with the same name. ;-)

[Nifster]

what is your point? This type of differential slander has been around for at least 120 years. How special to say that it is the ‘Zionists’ who want their own land....real Jews are happy where they are. These voices in the Jewish community walked their followers to death at the hands of the Nazis. How lucky for the Germans to only have to deal with the Jews and not the Zionists.....geeeez.

[cripplecreek]

I used to consider myself to be pro Jewish but anti Zionist. Fortunately reality intruded and I realized that I couldn’t be one or the other and my choices were blatant antisemitism or pro Jewish Zionism.

Today I stand firmly with Israel in pretty much all matters.

[Olog-hai]

There is no Jewish state in the land of Israel without Zionism. There is no other definition for that term. Anyone who claims otherwise is echoing Helen Thomas.

[massgopguy]

I watched Schindler’s List for the first time Saturday night. The Soviet Soldier explains the need for Zionism. “You have been liberated by the Soviet Army. Don’t go East because they hate you there. Don’t go West either”.

[Jo Nuvark]

The article makes a case for the differences.
I am a Messianic believer in JESUS CHRIST
and want to understand better the ideology of
Zionism vs. Judaism. I think the writer makes
a compelling case against Zionism.

I can agree Jewbacca, that believing, observant
Jews are beginning to surge in Israel. However, the
United States fosters “cultural” everything. The
American cultural Jew would be no threat to anyone.

(my opinion)

[marron]

In a war between the civilized man and the savage, defend the civilized man.

[Jewbacca]

There is no “ideology of Zionism vs. Judaism”

Jews are a people. Our home is Israel. Not complicated.

Some Jewish people are religious. Our religion is Judaism.

There is no conflict accepting non-religious Jews in Israel. It’s their home. Would I prefer them to be observant?

Sure. I also would prefer honest politicians that didn’t steal my money and my time.

[Perseverando]

Pamela Geller - AtlasShrugs.com

[Jo Nuvark]

I was hoping someone would actually read the
article so we could have a good discussion.

Nothing in either article (that I noticed) speaks
of Jews giving up their land as a Judaic litmus.

(sigh)

[EQAndyBuzz]

There are two types of Jews in America today. Those that believe in Israel. They are called Zionists. And those that do not believe in Israel. They are called Iiberals.

[elcid1970]

Zionism vs. Judaism is a typical muzzie dodge: “We don’t hate Jews, just Zionists.”

Except that in Israel the terrorists presume every Israeli Jew a Zionist and it’s therefore OK for jihadis to kill Jewish women & children as they are considered `reservists’ and providers of future IDF soldiers, and constitute legitimate targets.

Bloody savages!

[fishtank]

[kabumpo]

Without Zionism there can be no Judaism. Just ask the Jews of Poland. Oh, never mind, you can’t, because what was Europe’s largest Jewish population was exterminated.

[kabumpo]

Without Zionism there can be no Judaism. Just ask the Jews of Poland. Oh, never mind, you can’t, because what was Europe’s largest Jewish population was exterminated.

[2nd Amendment]

If Zionism means that Jews have an absolute God-given right to the Holy Land, then I’m pro Zionist. The bastardized Palestinians have no right to land given to the Jews.